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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans woman feeling unsafe due to Matt Yglesias signature is on the same letter as JK Rowling

49 replies

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 09/07/2020 18:17

mobile.twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1280580388495097856

There is nothing in the letter mentioning trans women. Since when are people who sign a document/letter expected to have anything in common except the text?

And why does a signature of a co-worker on a letter against cancel culture make you feel “unsafe”?

The world is crazy.

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ChavvySexPond · 09/07/2020 19:18

I have no patience with anyone who has to say people said something they didn't say in order to be angry with them.

Or is it a self absorbed "everything is about ME!" situation?

The repeatedly stressed victimhood makes me make a face.

joyjester · 09/07/2020 19:19

@Binglebong

It's incredle really, I still get amazed by the ego involved. You'd think I'd have learnt by now.

This was referenced in one of the rants.

Sorry meant to say I could not get my head at the fact that she has just insert ed the word trans into the letter .
wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 09/07/2020 19:22

@ChavvySexPond

I have no patience with anyone who has to say people said something they didn't say in order to be angry with them.

Or is it a self absorbed "everything is about ME!" situation?

The repeatedly stressed victimhood makes me make a face.

I'll take unchecked narcissism for $500, Alex.
TheSingingKettle49 · 09/07/2020 19:22

It’s pure manipulation isn’t it.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 09/07/2020 19:37

If someone signing a perfectly reasonable letter makes you feel “unsafe” then you need therapy, not for everyone to shut up

//: this x forever.

Whilst this ridiculous person basks in their victim status there are girls and women everywhere, every minute of the day and night being assaulted and murdered because they are female.

If they say they feel unsafe will anything change?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 09/07/2020 19:37

If someone signing a perfectly reasonable letter makes you feel “unsafe” then you need therapy, not for everyone to shut up

//: this x forever.

Whilst this ridiculous person basks in their victim status there are girls and women everywhere, every minute of the day and night being assaulted and murdered because they are female.

If they say they feel unsafe will anything change?

ChavvySexPond · 09/07/2020 19:38

Manipulative abusers always shout loudly about how they're the victim don't they? 🙄

classicspring · 09/07/2020 19:53

Meanwhile the fact that women and girls are saying that they feel unsafe with biological men in their protected spaces makes us TERF's.

notyourhandmaid · 09/07/2020 20:08

It's absolutely pathetic. And look at the list of people who signed - imagine finding JKR the most objectionable.

VickyEadieofThigh · 09/07/2020 21:19

Funny old world, innit?

I can't say I feel unsafe about the possibility of finding males in places where I'm semi/naked without being told I'm a TRF, prude, man-hater, etc. but males can say that someone signing a letter which is nothing to do with them* makes them "feel unsafe".

And they get supported in saying this.

Miriel · 09/07/2020 21:31

Has 'unsafe' gone and got itself a new definition along with 'woman' then?

It has. It now means 'being in the presence of someone I disagree with'. Or, apparently 'working at the same company as someone who signed the same letter as someone I disagree with'.

Safety means always being surrounded by fawning sycophants who tell you how stunning and brave you are.

TornadoOfSouls · 09/07/2020 21:41

I worry for the psychological health of people like this.

It is simply not healthy to demand everyone conform to your worldview and way of thinking.

If the ‘feeling unsafe’ is genuine this person has tremendous anxiety issues that need urgent treatment.

If it’s not genuine they are a raving narcissist.

My money’s on the latter but either way there’s something seriously wrong with them.

Binglebong · 09/07/2020 21:57

Don't worry - I got it Joyjester.

NearlyGranny · 09/07/2020 22:08

If you need to go back to the full text and insert a lot of stuff to show why you're upset, it's all in your own head, surely?

Coyoacan · 09/07/2020 23:23

I suppose the writer would feel unsafe if they were called a snowflake

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Michelleoftheresistance · 10/07/2020 11:10

If the ‘feeling unsafe’ is genuine

It's vocabulary appropriated from people with trauma, along with the word 'triggered', which as usual has been overused for effect in the wrong contexts and has the effect of diluting, confusing and reducing the understanding for and support of those who needed that language in the first place.

I have never yet seen any therapist or therapeutic intervention for adults with actual trauma that advises a patient to expect others to maintain their emotional safety, know their triggers and take responsibility for their feelings and reactions. Unless you're working with a young child and you're their parent, this isn't a healthy approach in any way, your needs, your feelings and your boundaries are always your responsibility to manage.

I am not your mummy. I am not going to have a codependent relationship with you. To borrow a favourite phrase, you need to 'educate yourself' on living with and overcoming trauma, instead of borrowing the bits of vocabulary that you like and using them for effect to get others to meet your needs for you. Healthy grown ups don't do this.

CoffeeTeaChocolate · 10/07/2020 11:26

I find this hard because I believe there need to be an open discussion about everything. How can we understand issues better if we don’t discuss them in detail?

How can young people obtain informed decisions and argue for their views if there is no debate?

And for the record, any sweeping insults and derogatory comments have no place in discussions and any threats or incitements to violence should be prosecuted.

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BigBadVoodooHat · 10/07/2020 11:55

If someone signing a perfectly reasonable letter makes you feel “unsafe” then you need therapy, not for everyone to shut up

I need this printed on a t-shirt!

nauticant · 10/07/2020 12:20

It's trauma sufferer LARPing Michelleoftheresistance and as such it's disgraceful.

Michelleoftheresistance · 10/07/2020 12:45

Rather like the appropriation of 'spoons' and the spoonies, for people with chronic illness causing chronic fatigue, yes.

Reminds me of Victorian times when it was an affectation of privileged people to be 'pale and interesting' in imitation of people dying of TB as a kind of fashionable effect.

As with most appropriations, fun for the person putting selected aspects on and off to fulfil personal agendas. Really rather offensive to those stuck in the reality of it all 24/7, with all the downsides and no escape, who have to actually live it.

Kantastic · 10/07/2020 12:59

There's been an interesting dogpile on Jesse Singal, who isn't GC but has written articles indicating controversially that sometimes caution should be employed in transing children , and also that sometimes some transactivists behave pretty badly, so he is a Trans Enemy and hated.

He also, not incidentally, has recently launched a podcast which has been extremely successful.

He tweeted a screenshot of VDW's ridiculous crybullying letter to the boss. Hence.. the dogpile. By doing this he was directing his army of terrible right-wing followers to harass Van der Werff. The rape and death threats that Van der Werff purports to have received are all Singal's fault because he drew attention to it (never mind that many others did as well.)

It's mad. I am fully convinced that the attacks on Singal, when there are so many potential juicy hate targets around, are related to his podcast being successful. It's amazing how much "social justice" activism is driven by envy - including all the TRA attacks on women, obviously.

nauticant · 10/07/2020 13:05

Reminds me of Victorian times

Or in Germany, The Sorrows of Young Werther.

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