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Drag queen story time Leeds part 2

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Angryresister · 08/07/2020 18:30

We wrote to councillor Field and were informed it was to be treated as a complaint. Here is the the first response

Thank you for your recent comments sent to Cllr Field on 21 June and passed to me. This has been logged as a complaint at Stage 1 of our procedure and allocated to me for investigation and response in line with our Complaints Policy.
In summary, my understanding of your complaint is:
 Drag queen story time is inappropriate;
 There are inappropriate images associated with the performer.
In order to respond to these I would like to give some back ground to the event and to our equality
approach.
Event
Leeds Library Service have always supported diversity and equality of opportunity as these are central to the role of libraries. A programme of events is planned across the year to meet this aim and hosting the drag queen story time was part of this plan.
The organisation Drag Queen Story Hour (www.dragqueenstoryhour.co.uk/) approached the Library Service and provided information both about the story time sessions as well as their experience in delivering the programme for other library services. They have a good reputation and have partnered with several library authorities across the country, including Manchester, Guernsey, Portsmouth and Gloucestershire. They specialise in children’s storytelling; tailoring performances to the audience.
Previous events were made available and were reviewed for suitability and quality by the Library Service. Although Drag Queen performances are often associated as an adult event, as with any other artist who performs for both an adult and junior audience the content of each show is tailored accordingly. The story time is aimed at children and families, it is very different to a club performance and is in no way an adult act; as a result it was agreed to go ahead with the event.
The normal procedures for considering any event were followed. The material and the official Story Hour website had been reviewed and the experiences of other local authorities taken into account. This was a virtual event with no direct unsupervised contact with children and it had already been
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viewed and seen as suitable. There is a safeguarding policy on the website and whilst there was no need for any further checks it was noted that the performer was DBS checked.
In terms of the organisation for the virtual event on 22 June, Drag Queen Story Hour created an event and the library service was added as a co-host. Individuals ticked to say they were attending, and no other information was available to either the creator or the co-host other than what is public information on an individual’s Facebook. It is common to co-host events in this way and it enables the recording to be shared in real time on our libraries page.
Equality perspective
As a local authority, as you know, we have a statutory duty under the Equality Act to
· Eliminate unlawful discrimination, harassment and victimisation;
· Advance equality of opportunity;
· Foster good relations
We are proud that we are a diverse and multi cultural city, and all our work will continue to be underpinned by our belief that all people should be treated with respect.
Drag is a historical art/performance form and is not specifically about either gender identity or sexual orientation. Whilst Drag Queens are not specifically covered by the Equality Act, they are rooted in LGBT+ culture and the Equality Act has provision for discrimination by association. As a council we will strive to ensure that we meet our statutory duty and to protect all people from unlawful discrimination, harassment and victimisation, and this includes in relation to drag queens.
There is, as you know, an ongoing debate about whether drag queens are misogynistic and whether they are a ‘distorted and sexualised grotesque caricature of women’. It is true that they exaggerate cultural stereotypes of women, as a specific form of entertainment, however they can also be seen as providing an ironic view that makes a statement about society as a whole and how women are depicted. In Leeds we value and recognise that everyone has a right to be who they are, and to express themselves. It is entirely right that we continue to be inclusive and to promote diversity.
Inappropriate images
On the day before the event was due to take place the council was made aware of images from a social media account linked with the performer that were considered to be inappropriate. Given when the concerns were raised, there was very limited time to investigate further and it was decided that the event should be cancelled. This was a family event focusing on picture books and aimed at 7 year olds, and therefore it was particularly important that we ensured that all safeguarding checks had taken place.
As part of my investigation I considered the content and images on the drag queen story time website. In my view they are appropriate for the audience it is aimed at. The images that were highlighted were not on the drag queen story time site but on the performer’s own social media. There is an age restriction on accessing social media which is 13 for Facebook and Instagram and 14 for Twitter, so not accessible to the target audience. As a general principle anyone who is concerned about images or content being inappropriate should raise these with the platform concerned.
I agree that the images highlighted and brought to the attention of the council are inappropriate for a children’s audience, but this is not where they are available. The council has acted wholly appropriately in assessing safeguarding and has followed normal protocol before agreeing to co
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hosting the event. I believe it would be unreasonable to expect Library Services to consider all social media content linked to a performer, and there is no reason why this should have been done in this instance.
I am clear that our normal procedure in relation to safeguarding has been followed and there is nothing to indicate that any child was at risk in any way.
It is clear from the advertising that a drag queen is reading the story and at this stage the parent or responsible adult can make a decision as to whether they consider this event suitable for their child, in the same way as they would do for any event.
Conclusion
Having considered all of the above information I am clear that the normal procedure for engaging a performer has been followed. It is also clear that due consideration has been given to equality and safeguarding, that the event is wholly suitable for children, and is in accordance with our aims to be a welcoming and inclusive city.
You have raised concerns about engaging a drag queen for storytime, but this has been done in accordance with our ambition to be a welcoming and inclusive city. In addition the right checks and balances have been put in place, as they would have been before engaging any performer.
The images you highlighted were not on the storytime website and I believe this is where anyone with concerns about the event would have looked, before making a decision as to whether to sign up for the event. It is not appropriate for the Library Service to consider all social media before making a decision about hosting an event.
Given this is the case I consider it entirely appropriate for the event to go ahead should this be possible given the plans already in place for the year by the Library Service.
I believe that I have addressed the issues you have raised. If you wish to request a review of my decision, you can contact me directly or customer relations on the email address given above, within 28 days of this letter. However, please be aware that consideration will usually only be given to new facts or evidence, or to comments on the above facts or evidence which I have relied on as part of my investigation.
Yours sincerely,

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PelicanDeuce · 12/08/2020 01:30

The mermaids ones are still on his FB page. All screenshotted. He’s now put a caveat up on his FB saying he’s ‘not a MAP’.

WTF?!

PotholeParadise · 12/08/2020 01:37

It's not really something you can use in a letter about Drag Queen story times, but our friend Logan, who appreciated the DQSH UK tweet also retweeted a petition to abolish the American Sex Offender Registry three times in the last week.

And they retweet stuff from accounts claiming to be 15 year-olds who support MAP rights, and tweets from accounts claiming to be non-offending MAPs.

Children shouldn't be on twitter, but an official account of an organisation that provides children's entertainment should also be avoiding posting content that explicitly references a slogan about reducing or abolishing the age of consent. Both for the obvious reasons, but also because it will get retweeted by MAPs or allies, or commented on by them, which connects them to an account that might be viewed by children.

Prior to deletion, it would have taken a child one mouse-click/touchscreen press to look at the retweets, one click to click on a random name like Logan's and from there, they can scroll down his feed and be guided to all the accounts he's retweeted.

PelicanDeuce · 12/08/2020 09:45

Thanks for this @PotholeParadise

FoxBaseBeta · 12/08/2020 13:54

If you're a children's entertainer would you not want to caveat a little further than I'm not a MAP/don't support or condone them. Maybe something like absolutely fucking condemn them, perhaps.

LOLeater · 12/08/2020 14:23

Hi, I have just received a response to my stage 2 complaint. Has anyone else?

I am copying and pasting:

“Thank you for your complaint dated 9th July 2020. Your complaint has been escalated to Stage 2 of our procedure and allocated to me for investigation and response in line with the Council’s Complaints Policy.
I have carefully considered the points you have raised, and have particularly taken account of our safeguarding, equality and commissioning processes, and also considered the stage 1 response already provided. In doing so I have come to the conclusion that most of your complaint has already been covered in the stage 1 response provided by Anne McMaster.
The area not covered is in relation to your assertion that the performer was allowed to operate to a lower standard than staff employed by the Council. When becoming an employee of the council, individuals sign a contract of employment where they agree to adhere to council policies and procedures. The performer is not an employee of the Council, and whilst we do our utmost to ensure that when hiring outside bodies we seek to minimise any risks, our due diligence checks do not extend into investigating personal aspects of an individual’s life. Indeed in doing so, it might be considered to be a disproportionate interference with the person’s right to private and family life under the Human Rights Act 1998, this would apply to our own employees as well.
If I might clarify, a storyteller’s role is to read to a group of children for a very short period of time and the children are accompanied by their parents/guardians, and there are also council staff in attendance. Attending the event is a matter of parental choice and responsibility, I therefore believe that the standards applied are appropriate to the situation and in line with current Council policy.
I therefore support the outcome of Ms McMaster’s stage 1 response, and agree that the proposed activity was appropriate to go ahead.
I feel it is important to point out that, council decision makers are required to ensure that any decision they make considers the requirements of equality legislation. This means they must be mindful of the need to eliminate unlawful discrimination, taking into account all protected characteristics under equality legislation.
Leeds City Council takes great pride in being an inclusive and diverse city, where all sections of the community can feel welcome. In achieving this ambition, we have a legal obligation to balance the views and preferences of our residents, and ensure that we do not promote unconscious bias or discriminate against any person based on their beliefs or preferences.
I would like to thank you for taking the time to write to us and share your views, which I can assure you are important to us.
I trust that I have addressed the issues you have raised. However, as your complaint has now been considered under both Stage 1 and Stage 2 of our Complaints Policy, if you wish to continue to pursue any aspect of your complaint, you should do so by contacting the ombudsman”

I am not impressed.

If you have managed to digest that, do you think it is worth going to the Ombudsman and pursuing this? Any advice would be gratefully received.

I think Leeds Council has not protected children. I believe supporting equality and diversity does not mean grotesque parodying and mocking of women.

HairyRug · 12/08/2020 14:46

Too right! I got a different email but even more mealy mouthed. Didn't address my concerns. So I'm going to take it further. The more bother this causes LCC the better. Maybe then they'll be serious about their aim of being a women friendly city.

Parents can choose whether to take their children? Yes, but we can't choose not to pay for it through our taxes. And why should we have to avoid things that teach our children that we're to be laughed at?

I'm furious.

LOLeater · 12/08/2020 14:56

Brilliant. I will go ahead with a complaint to the Ombudsman.

Angryresister · 12/08/2020 19:46

Yes we got an even worse reply, very defensive. We have since pointed out that this white male is not in a protected category and that they need to look more carefully at his belief that love has no age. Turning the responsibility back onto parents is not fair. They haven’t answered our questions about how many people with disabilities, older lesbians or gay men or black people have been asked to read to children. So that’s at least three complaints, not counting the councillors one. If anyone wants to see the reply I can post it. Not happy at all

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crunchermuncher · 13/08/2020 01:10

That reply is dreadful! They're clearly more concerned about not being seen to be inclusive than they are about protecting children. How can they justify that? Go for the ombudsman.

LOLeater · 13/08/2020 07:04

I shall be writing today.

I am not on social media other than here and I want to be absolutely sure of my facts: did the drag queen booked to read by Leeds Council post a tweet which read ‘Map ally’? It was posted on the UK Drag Queen story time website as I can see from the excellent screenshot earlier (thank you to that brilliant PP) Excuse my tentativeness: I want to be absolutely positive. I won’t make reference to it in my letter unless I am absolutely sure that is the case.

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Thingybob · 13/08/2020 10:36

I am not on social media other than here and I want to be absolutely sure of my facts: did the drag queen booked to read by Leeds Council post a tweet which read ‘Map ally’?

As far as I can make out the person who identifies themselves as a 'map ally' was not Aida or anything to do with the organisation DQST. It was just someone who had retweeted the 'love has no age' post

Thingybob · 13/08/2020 11:19

Has anyone ever read Drag Queens Story Hour's Safeguarding Policy?

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They appear to believe that a commitment to not being being a sex offender, a violent criminal or a child trafficker is all that's required.

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PotholeParadise · 13/08/2020 16:24

@LOLeater

I shall be writing today.

I am not on social media other than here and I want to be absolutely sure of my facts: did the drag queen booked to read by Leeds Council post a tweet which read ‘Map ally’? It was posted on the UK Drag Queen story time website as I can see from the excellent screenshot earlier (thank you to that brilliant PP) Excuse my tentativeness: I want to be absolutely positive. I won’t make reference to it in my letter unless I am absolutely sure that is the case.

No, Drag Queen Story Time didn't tweet anything like that.

But their post was retweeted by someone else on twitter who identifies as a MAP ally and retweets a lot of stuff like that. I included it as an example of how 'love has no age' is widely interpreted.

Posting 'love has no age' brings all the paedophile supporters to your yard!

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