Tammy Duckworth - Biden running mate

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Any thoughts ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth

From Coronation Street? Sorry, couldn't help it.

She sounds like one strong woman.

Oh rock on. She is awesome as a person. I don't know that much about her views but my impression is of a bit of a rottweiler in argument and only a Democrat because the Republicans were too nice That's not fair but I mean i dont think she's easily wrongfooted and she's a bit of a realpolitik type, think Lyndon Johnson.

She’s got the kind of real life CV that Hollywood movies get made from.

I don’t know that much about her political history, but she is an good pick for winding Trump up!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwSoZLqcBz0

I was kinda hoping for Tulsi Gabbard, but perhaps she’ll take another crack at the nomination, she’s
still very young (by presidential standards).

Oh, I thought you meant she had been officially announced. I like her but I think, with her credentials, she'd make a better Secretary of Defence. I'm expecting the running mate to be either Val Demings or Susan Rice.

She sounds like a really interesting choice, but I wonder whether she is eligible as Vice President as she was born in Bangkok. You have to be a natural-born citizen to be eligible as VP (because of potentially becoming President).

She should be fine, Ted Cruz wasn’t born in the US, but both he and Duckworth were US citizens from birth onwards (I had the same thought as you so went off to look it up already!)

www.quora.com/Is-Tammy-Duckworth-disqualified-from-running-for-president-because-she-was-born-in-Thailand

Put aside her accomplishments, this is so fucking smart.

Republicans are the pro military party - she's a combat veteran who lost her legs in service - they might try to come at her for being born in Thailand but one picture of her in uniform will put an end to it.

I am hopeful this will me Kamala for AG

@mstrotwood

She sounds like a really interesting choice, but I wonder whether she is eligible as Vice President as she was born in Bangkok. You have to be a natural-born citizen to be eligible as VP (because of potentially becoming President).

You sound exactly like the racist shit she debated who tried to insult her:

I didn't realise Vietnam sent soldiers to fight with George Washington

(he was dumped by his own side and lost the Senate election to her).

Do you really think she would have got this far without knowing if she was eligible for high office ?

I know if selected she'd face some tough times, but not from this quarter.

That's a strange over-reaction to what was clearly an innocent comment, OP.

I thought of Corrie too

@RoyalCorgi

That's a strange over-reaction to what was clearly an innocent comment, OP.

As a rule, I am very sensitive to racism and sexism. A question like "are you allowed to run for office" to someone running for office seems ... odd. Especially when you add it to an observation about nationality that suggests someone born in Bangkok could not be a US citizen. Which is exactly what the good senator has already faced to get where she is.

Anyway, returning to the point in hand, it was her push on maternity issues in the Senate which caught my eye. She pushed for a change for mothers to bring their babies into the Senate and voted carrying her one year old. You really couldn't have a starker contrast to the knuckle and wife-dragging Republicans who want to roll womens rights back to the [US] Civil War.

I’m not a political dullard and am aware of the Obama ‘birther’ conspiracy theories and the inherent racism of them but I thought you had to be born in the United States.

I don't think it was racism either.
Honest query as presidency eligibility rules in America are a bit odd.
I remember there was some debate re Cruz precisely because he was born in Canada

Re Duckworth she is awesome! It would be nice to see a 'normal' person as VP and her credentials make her a great candidate IMO.

Sigh. Again. Not in the US. Not up on who all can be VP does not a Trump voter make.

Apparently ‘natural born’, as distinct from ‘native born’, is interpreted as not needing ‘naturalisation’.

From US Citizenship and Immigration Services

“ Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is granted to a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). For more information, see USCIS Policy Manual Citizenship and Naturalization Guidance.”

So, you have to be born a US citizen but not necessarily born in the United States.

She seems extraordinary, and a candidate who can unite and will appeal to some floating/centrist voters

It’s not racist at all, don’t be stupid. I was aware that Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn’t eligible to run for President because he wasn’t born in the USA even though he is now a US Citizen so I’m assuming there must be a rule of some sort about citizenship and birth. Wanting clarification around that isn’t racist.

What is the actual rule?

As the whole Obama birther conspiracy was based on the loons claiming he wasn’t born in the US (Hawaii) but in Kenya then it would appear that Trump, several republican politicians and lots of Americans didn’t understand the whole ‘natural born’ thing either. He was born in the US but he would have been an American citizen through his mother regardless of where he was born.

Lots of people don’t even know the rules in their own countries. In Australia several MPs had to quit after it was discovered they were citizens of other countries and hadn’t renounced it, because they didn’t know they had to. There were all sorts of investigations into whether people were citizens of countries without them even knowing from their parents. So I’m not surprised Americans don’t know the rules and I think it’s reasonable that people want clarification on it to be sure.

Also, in our defence we are mostly U.K. dwellers and our parliamentary system doesn’t have to deal with top job candidates on a case by case basis.

To be PM you have to be a sitting MP and to stand as an MP a person must be at least 18 years old and be a citizen of the UK, a Commonwealth nation, or Ireland..
(And that includes citizens by naturalisation)

After that, it’s selection via party rules (different for each party) and you can get forced out by the party too.

So not immediately knowing the US rules is less likely ti be racism and more likely to be information we haven’t retained due to not being reminded of it by our own systems rules‘half remembered ‘Birther’ hoo-ha.

If Duckworth is selected she should consider stapling a copy of birth certificate on the Oval Office door on the day of the announcement,

Anyway, back to Duckworth‘s achievements - I shared this article (a couple of years old) on my Facebook last night. Duckworth’s backstory is about as close to a superhero (supershero?) as a real-life person is likely to get:

www.vogue.com/article/tammy-duckworth-interview-vogue-october-2018-issue

I hope Biden picks carefully, because frankly, he is past his best (and was never truly brilliant) and his VP might actually have take over.

Some (lots?) people will be voting largely based on Biden’s running mate, rather than Biden himself.

What is the actual rule?

It’s never been tested by SCOTUS so it’s not entirely clear, but it looks like the most likely interpretation for the current day will be ‘US Citizen from Birth’ (which under US law is determined either by geographical location OR by one/both parents being US citizens at the time of the birth).

I think she's brilliant. Nobody's perfect but what a story,

As a rule, I am very sensitive to racism and sexism. A question like "are you allowed to run for office" to someone running for office seems...odd

I didn't know she was running for office - I thought the whole point of your original post was that Biden hadn't selected a running mate but that she'd be a good candidate?

She's already a senator.

Team Biden need to convince Americans they can repair Trumps trashing of the US brand abroad. Duckworth has been suggested (and shortlisted) as the VP running mate that could make that happen, being well up on foreign affairs.

edition.cnn.com/2020/07/06/politics/tammy-duckworth-biden-vice-president/index.html