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Giles Coren in the Times

46 replies

Chitlin · 04/07/2020 09:17

Bless him, screwing his courage to the sticking place.

You might as well come right out and say it, Giles. The TRAs won't be fooled by your minor obfuscations, and neither are we.

(Assuming Esther is a MNer?)

'If you’re a dim young actor who’s never read a book or formed a real opinion then just say “I stand four square with anyone who doesn’t feel seen by the Sorting Hat” and — woohoo! — you’re a Gen-Z identity hero and proud recipient of the Order of the Golden Snowflake.'

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/wed-better-hope-its-not-a-z-shaped-recovery-72s08895r

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 04/07/2020 09:20

Do you have a share token please? Smile

Chitlin · 04/07/2020 09:23

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wed-better-hope-its-not-a-z-shaped-recovery-72s08895r

Does that work?

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EdgeOfACoin · 04/07/2020 09:42

No, unfortunately.

teawamutu · 04/07/2020 09:56

Was coming on to post this!

I know Giles Coren has his moments, but he's bloody funny.

Giles Coren in the Times
Bluemoooon · 04/07/2020 09:58

how do you get a share token? I am a Times reader.

moose62 · 04/07/2020 09:58

Yes, I could read it! Bless, at least he is saying what I think and even putting it in Harry Potter form to leave no doubt as to which actor/s he is referring to!

McDuffy · 04/07/2020 09:59

@Bluemoooon

how do you get a share token? I am a Times reader.
I do it from the email icon on the web article, can't do it from the app (I don't think you can anyway!)
MondayYogurt · 04/07/2020 10:02

He's a misogynist who has form for openly mocking Emma Watson.
We can do better for allies.

Giles Coren in the Times
FantaOra · 04/07/2020 10:27

Allies!
Do better!

DidoLamenting · 04/07/2020 10:44

He's a misogynist who has form for openly mocking Emma Watson.
We can do better for allies

Emma Watson , even before her recent disgraceful betrayal of JKR, was a silly, self- important, virtue- signalling pain in the arse. I must Google what he said about her.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/07/2020 10:48

I do it from the email icon on the web article, can't do it from the app

I can always do it from the iPad app (one of the icons in the bottom right corner) but not from the browser. (The time has enough interesting articles I think it's worth everyone who has a subscription knowing how to share)

DidoLamenting · 04/07/2020 10:51

Oh ha ha he took a swipe at her after that spectacularly ridiculous photo shoot of her being all edgy and showing her breasts but at the same time making sure no nipple was showing ( after all Emma Watson is a serious woman with a degree not a Page 3 girl).

During that storm in a tea cup Watson posted a cringemaking conversation with a male friend whining on about not understanding all the fuss about her tits (oh how edgy she is , calling her breasts tits)

Binterested · 04/07/2020 10:54

I don’t object to anyone ‘openly mocking’ any person who does or says something stupid. Emma Watson and her crap actor pals have all said something stupid quite recently. And craven. And disloyal. And just factually wrong.

So crack on with the openly mocking. There should be a lot more mocking of this agenda imho. Not being permitted to laugh at the ideology and it’s ridiculous acolytes is one of the reasons this has all got out of hand.

But also maybe that gives us a headstart in England - we like laughing at things and are good at it. The comedians have largely let us down but as a people we enjoy poking fun at stuff so let’s laugh at the idiocy. (I’d say Britain but Scotland seems to be going very earnest on this)

I mean try contemplating this from the Stonewall agenda with a straight face : Cross dressers are among the most oppressed in society GrinGrin

MondayYogurt · 04/07/2020 10:55

Dido - I've posted a screenshot of what he said.

Here's another of his tidbits. But I'm sure he's just having some light hearted racist fun.

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Binterested · 04/07/2020 10:55

Its not it’s - autocorrect stay in your lane Angry

Beamur · 04/07/2020 10:59

I don't think 'we' need 'allies'. The situation needs people willing to discuss and debate.

MondayYogurt · 04/07/2020 11:02

Yes we should all laugh at her little tits haha the stupid hoyden! She should learn her place, shutting up and being a good little compliant woman.

He could have talked about anything, her wooden acting etc, but he chose TITS and HOYDEN because that's what misogynists do - strip us down to our bodies and then declare them not good enough.

I'm no Watson fan but I'm also not going to make excuses for a man who writes about Meghan Markle and monkeys in the same paragraph.

He's a dick.

Giles Coren in the Times
ErrolTheDragon · 04/07/2020 11:03

Giles Coren isn't an 'ally' - he's a bloke who makes a living from mocking anything mockable (including quite often himself).

Beamur · 04/07/2020 11:18

The comments linking Meghan Markle to monkeys is really shitty.

Mawbags · 04/07/2020 11:18

Boycott the lot
It is the ideological quandary of the age: we know we ought to be boycotting stuff, but what, exactly? And whom? In these days of the media takedown, the Twitter pile-on, the meaningless digital petition and the non-specific accusatory whinge, it’s not about what you say or do or even what you believe, it’s whom you cancel that matters. If you’re a dim young actor who’s never read a book or formed a real opinion then just say “I stand four square with anyone who doesn’t feel seen by the Sorting Hat” and — woohoo! — you’re a Gen-Z identity hero and proud recipient of the Order of the Golden Snowflake.

So pity poor Harry and Meghan, those heroic campaigners for nobody is quite sure what, proud warriors for nothing in particular, brave footmen of the revolution against … stuff. For in giving their support to the Stop Hate for Profit initiative this week, they asked the organisers for advice on “which brands they could help target”.

Really, guys? You genuinely need to be told what not to buy or support in order to look woke? Let me see … I think those nice knobbly avocados are still out, on account of the whole Israel thing. Car firms are no good coz of global warming. Ditto energy companies, airlines, shipping people, anyone who farms animals for meat (or anything else), any company without a female chief executive or that pays some staff members slightly different amounts from others, or has ever benefited from any form of inequality in the past, or still has any objects or books in any of its buildings from “the evil times”, which means effectively before last Tuesday. So, basically, apart from not-for-profit enterprises set up in the last ten days by young people who care deeply about whatever is in the news this week, but will move on to other stuff when the wind changes, the best advice would be to boycott … everything.

DidoLamenting · 04/07/2020 11:18

Personally I think Watson set up the whole " look at me being edgy and (not) showing my tits" fiasco for maximum publicity well knowing the response it would generate.

The painfully scripted " conversation" with her male friend was truly embarrassing.

As Watson chooses to refer to her breasts as "tits" I'm not going to get het up about Coren using her preferred word.

Mawbags · 04/07/2020 11:19

There you go, guys x

Mawbags · 04/07/2020 11:19

Gals! People!!

AbsintheFriends · 04/07/2020 11:30

Yeah, Giles Coren is a provocateur. Sometimes he's funny, sometimes he's crass. Always he's a very privileged, educated, wealthy white male with a distinguished media family heritage, and that's the viewpoint he speaks from. But he doesn't try to hide that, and he doesn't claim victimhood and he doesn't ever (as far as I can see/remember) shy away from the many rocks that are lobbed at him for all of the above.

His position, his platform, his not giving a shit do make him able to say things that other people are too afraid to. And, in the ridiculous Hans Christian Anderson looking glass world of identity politics we now inhabit - where women lose their jobs for speaking the truth - that's sometimes a useful thing.

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