U.K. House of Commons Conversion Therapy Survey- Deadline 13 July

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How does #conversiontherapy affect the #LGBTQ community?

Should it be made illegal? What would that mean to you?

@HoCpetitions is investigating a petition calling for the practice to be made illegal.

Click the image to share your insights ⬇️

Deadline: Monday 13 July

twitter.com/houseofcommons/status/1279000022189817857?s=21

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I have responded saying conversion therapy for sexuality should be banned, but therapy for gender distressed/gd individuals should not be limited to affirmative therapy. Neutral, questioning therapy needs to be an option for these individuals.

I actually think it can be OK (shouldn’t be criminalized) for therapists to talk to young people about how sexuality is sometimes fluid in teen years and could change, but whatever the outcome is, that’s totally fine. For gender Dysphoria the same applies, except it’s not possible To change sex, and very difficult to pass as the opposite sex. And that there is no hurry here.

None of that is IMO conversion therapy. Conversion therapy is behavioral therapy that attempts to Behaviorally condition someone to be attracted to a sex they aren’t attracted to. Questioning someone’s gender or sexuality is something quite different.

Scary to think that therapists/doctors etc who don't 'affirm only' dysphoric kids, especially when they are aware of other co morbid mental health issues or trauma that may be causing it and worked through, could be prosecuted.

One of the questions is 'How should ‘conversion therapy’ be defined?'
We therefore have an opportunity to input into the definition!

There are only 3 questions overall - the others are:
How does conversion therapy affect the LGBTQ+ community?
and
Should the practice be made a specific criminal offence? What would it mean to you if was made a specific criminal offence?

Nice open questions....

Clutching at straws here but could it be that if the government state, 'transitioning children to prevent them being same sex attracted' is conversion therapy-they can then ban it?

No more transitioning of children-wouldn't that be wonderful-they can grow up to accept their sexuality & personality & just live their lives without being set on a medical pathway.

I get 'this tweet is unavailable' - have they had to vanish it?

mobile.twitter.com/HoCpetitions/status/1279084492565680135?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Same! Strange...

Deleted!! Why? Nothing controversial in my post

I see this thread is looking like a piece of Swiss cheese already....its bizarre what cannot be mentioned

Caused offence, therefore can't be discussed. I see.

Ah, seems survey is still open. Another secret consultation.

Here tis:

www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/7WBGPZ/

I'm really confused now - on Twitter they've said the tweet was misjudged and has been removed - what was the original tweet?

I'm also very confused about conversion therapy - trans'ing the kids seems to be the ultimate conversion therapy. I think gender questioning kids should be given all the therapy they need to become happy with their existing body rather than amputating healthy parts of their bodies and taking hormones for life that are likely to create all sorts of ongoing major health issues.

I can only presume that a section of the populace finds the discussion itself beyond the pale, gardenbird48.

Apparently my post was blunt. I guess we all remember our first deletion. II'll try to re-state my position in a less blunt way. I also respect and thank the subs for doing a difficult job.

One particular form of conversion therapy that I believe would benefit from research, is the encouragement of homosexual children to believe that they are transgender, rather than gay or lesbian.

I hope this is OK. If this is deleted too, then I will stop posting and return to lurking because I won't have any confidence in my ability to understand the rules. I will however continue emailing MPs, publishers, the BBC, businesses, filling in surveys and consultations, and talking to people in real life.

They're watching this thread from twitter, hence the Swiss cheese.

Excellent post sultana.

The problem with a lot of the main glamour clamours and charities such as mermaids is that they don't open up the idea to different options. They follow complete affirmation of an inmate sexist "gender" rather than the more common route, if allowed to explore options, that the majority of yp who think they're trans are actually gay.

So who's doing the "barbaric conversions." (To quite someone from twitter)

Sterilisation and mastectomies on young people who may actually be gay are pretty barbaric.

I've just looked at the link in Scrimshaw's post and it says petition closed?

''We have deleted a tweet about a petition relating to #conversiontherapy that caused offence. We apologise.
Our intention was to provide a platform for people to share their opinions with the Petitions Committee, and inform its case to the Government. Clearly we misjudged this.''

twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1279088499338235904

Isn't telling children they were born 'wrong' the definition of conversion therapy? Is that allowed to be stated?

Stop medicalising children-let them develop naturally

Just seen on twitter that responses to this consultation, originally were sent to No. 10 direct, now they will be filtered through gendered intelligence. Anyone else smell a rat here?

Who is claiming that, happy ? Is it an official source?

I don't get what about the original tweet was offensive?

This perfectly illustrates why the T should not be tacked onto LGB.

'Conversion therapy' for a young person who is attracted to the same sex as themselves, solely in order to make them attracted to opposite sex instead: wrong and totally unnecessary.

'Conversion therapy' for a young person who feels so uncomfortable in their currently perfectly healthy physical body that they want to cut off their healthy breasts, get their penis cut off, be put on an irreversible lifelong medical pathway of dodgy drugs that is highly likely to result in infertility and sexual dysfunction at the very least, in order to try make them happy with the perfect body that they are in and not want to go down that path before they are fully matured and fully understand the enormous ramifications: not so bad........

They are completely different things. You can't even begin to compare them.