U.K. House of Commons Conversion Therapy Survey- Deadline 13 July

[rogdmum]

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How does #conversiontherapy affect the #LGBTQ community?

Should it be made illegal? What would that mean to you?

@HoCpetitions is investigating a petition calling for the practice to be made illegal.

Click the image to share your insights ⬇️

Deadline: Monday 13 July

twitter.com/houseofcommons/status/1279000022189817857?s=21

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I have responded saying conversion therapy for sexuality should be banned, but therapy for gender distressed/gd individuals should not be limited to affirmative therapy. Neutral, questioning therapy needs to be an option for these individuals.

Ignore me, happy I found it. I thought you meant responses to the survey the HoC set up then withdrew yesterday. You’re talking about the Google/GI template which is now being vetted by GI. Hopefully the Govt will pick up on that!!!!

twitter.com/labwomendec/status/1279322260868866048?s=21

Yes, I agree that telling a child that because they like things not normally associated with their sex and they are uncomfortable in their physical body, this means that something is 'wrong' and it needs 'correcting' is surely the absolute definition of 'Conversion therapy'.

rogdmum Barones Nicholson retweeted Labour Womens Declaration

rogdmum sorry I got my wires crossed-so many consultations going on. Has the gov actually given a definition of Conversion therapy do you know? As there are parallels with giving a potentially gay child cross sex hormones so they appear like the opposite sex...

happy I don’t know. I’m assuming not as one of the questions was about what should be included under the conversion therapy umbrella. I can’t remember how it was worded, but it was clearly looking to see how the public would define conversion therapy/what they would include.

I was reading in Abigail Shrier's book about how when they banned conversion therapy in Canada, they included conversion of "gender identity" in the ban, and an immediate consequence was that a famous dysphoria expert and therapist advocated watchful waiting was hounded out of his job on allegations of encouraging dysphoric kids to be satisfied with their physical bodies - a practice that had just been criminalised.

Transdimensional I really hope that will not be the case here.

Children with feelings of gender dysphoria must be allowed to explore why that may be-not affirmed as the other sex and set on a medical pathway.

There could be an entire generation of potentially gay kids prevented from becoming gay adults.....

Surely the fact that the Tavistock themselves are viewing homophobia as the reason some children want to transition is going to ratify what we can and can't call conversion therapy.

Surely getting medical treatment to change something about you is a form of conversion? You are being physically converted

It sounds as though those questions are badly thought out, if one of them is ‘how to define conversion therapy’.

Conversion therapy should be defined as therapy provided by a practising professional therapist psychologist or psychiatrist, aimed at altering a person’s sexual orientation. That’s it. Nothing about gender identity. (And the restriction to practising professionals is to avoid criminalising the grandmother who is upset about her gay grandchild’s sexuality & advises him to wait till he meets Miss Right - that should not be dealt with as a criminal offence.)

Whether to outlaw therapy as defined above is a separate issue. This type of therapy seems to me to be monstrously damaging. It’s a hideous idea. I wonder though why this is not being left to professional bodies to police? Is there actually a problem in that there is evidence this type of therapy is taking place? How many instances have there been over the last 2 years? How were they dealt with? Are the professional bodies pushing for this type of therapy to be criminalised?

How would this criminal offence work in practice? If someone goes for therapy because they are confused about their sexual orientation, would this prevent any therapy from being given? In this situation, could a therapist challenge or ask probing questions without risking a criminal offence?

My concern is that this isn’t about therapy as defined above, at all. I suspect this is aimed purely at stopping qualified professionals counselling young people about body dysphoria. This would be horrific. It would of course mean that no therapy could be given to detransitioners - but the TRAs would probably see that as a good thing.

Absolutely thesilkshawl. As illustrated in transdimensional 's post above, the definition of conversion therapy as outlawed in Canada includes "encouraging dysphoric kids to be satisfied with their physical bodies". Is that really what people want to outlaw? And if so, why?

Yes to Stella and the silk.

Conversion therapy should only apply to sexual orientation.

It can't possibly apply to gender. One woman recently confessed that she transitioned because she was repeatedly raped by her father. No one should transition on that basis, obviously.

Hopefully these will help - surely articles in mainstream medical journals can be discussed and add to the evidence.
www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/sex-gender-and-gender-identity-a-reevaluation-of-the-evidence/76A3DC54F3BD91E8D631B93397698B1A/core-reader

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/freedom-to-think-the-need-for-thorough-assessment-and-treatment-of-gender-dysphoric-children/F4B7F5CAFC0D0BE9FF3C7886BA6E904B