Daily Mail article on “Minor attracted persons”

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This was in the Mail today. I wonder if the journalist reads this board.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466899/Paedophiles-rebrand-minor-attracted-persons-chilling-online-propaganda-drive.html

Someone in comments mentioned that they got banned on Twitter for challenging someone about posting about being attracted to children

If you look for the YouTuber "ready to glare" she has done lots of brilliant research and videos on MAPs. I watched her latest one yesterday about how she was finding more Maps "identifying" as trans age to claim that the attraction wasn't really pedophilia. And some minors claiming on Twitter to be "map allies" saying things like "maps are valid" and inviting private messages, often stating that they also have a history of CSA. This whole thing is getting massively out of hand and twitter needs to shut it down before it gains any more momentum, but they prefer to spend their time targeting people like Glinner. Such a revolting platform.

Dr Christian and Adrian Harrop had a Twitter conversation about this. The basic jist was that in some countries sex with what we consider as minors was the norm, and not classed as Pedophelia and that we impose this abritary age on sex. I'll see if I can find it.

I'm really glad that the mainstream media is starting to pick up on this, and hopefully they'll pick up on the fact that piggybacking on the LGB is still happening too.

@Soontobe60

Dr Christian and Adrian Harrop had a Twitter conversation about this. The basic jist was that in some countries sex with what we consider as minors was the norm, and not classed as Pedophelia and that we impose this abritary age on sex. I'll see if I can find it.

What?! Did they agree??

The age of consent is lower in some other European countries - it's 14 in Germany, Austria and Italy for example.

I wouldn't support the lowering personally but it is accurate to say it's a judgement call.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

And so the chipping away at the norms that keep young people safe continues.

This was one of the threads on Dr Harrop and Dr Christian

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3245071-To-be-disgusted-that-Dr-Christian-Jessen-considers-some-kinds-of-child-rape-to-be-morally-excusable-on-cultural-grounds

IIRC there was a much longer on on this board too.

I'm old enough to remember the PIE offensive in the 70's and early 80's and they piggybacked on gay rights and civil liberties then too. They were taken quite seriously in the parts oft he media and by civil rights groups such as Liberty. I'm sure they held back the progress of gay rights especially around lowering the age of consent.

Well, certain people seem to be frequently invited to appear on the BBC to give their opinions on various things. They make no attempt to hide their connections with PIE, or MAP as they are now known. Hiding in plain sight.

havelock

Men who hate women just can’t stop themselves can they? They are both racists too. Ugh!!!

@HPFA the only benefit I can think of lowering age of consent is so that teenagers aren't as likely to get listed as a sex offender for having sex with someone who is slightly younger than themselves.
(E.g. when I was 16, my 15 year old boyfriend's parents threatened to report me to the police for having sex with their technically underage son, even though he was the one who pressurised me to do it in the first place...)

In any case it is completely disgusting for an adult of any age to have sex with a child.

I have no patience for MAP or MAP supporters/apologists.

Caribou they may have threatened you but assuming you were about the same age I don't think anything would have come of it

I have just looked up the age of consent law for Germany.
‘The age of consent is 14, if both partners are under 18.
A very important qualification and completely different to what Harrop and Jessen were discussing.

I'm glad someone at the mail has picked up on this and is reporting it.

I feel like it's slowly creeping into the mainstream more and more, piggy backed on pride etc, and it needs to be stopped. I saw that protasia (unsure of spelling) website a bit ago on twitter and I think there was a thread on it here. It is appalling. Plus all the "maps" and the creepy anime pictures of sexualised young looking people. It turns my stomach. And Twitter let it carry on which is shameful.

@stealthpolarbear I had a suspicion at the time that the police would dismiss it, but it was still a massive stress.

Just to clarify, I think 16 is the right age of consent. Although I do really judge any adult (20 years+) who would actually sleep with a 16 year old, since the power dynamics just feel so wrong.

• @HPFA the only benefit I can think of lowering age of consent is so that teenagers aren't as likely to get listed as a sex offender for having sex with someone who is slightly younger than themselves.*

Some countries have a 'Romeo and Juliet' allowance for teenage couples. There's no benefit to generally lowering the age of consent.

That twitter exchange in the screenshot turns my stomach too. Congratulatory wankfest. Someone gets it! Ew.

@errolthedragon - that sounds like a good system.

Xpost - so Germany is an example of 'Romeo and Juliet' not general lower age of consent.

Bloody hell. It is that Dr Christian. What about all the feminists in the global south who have campaigned against child marriage. Are they not allowed a voice.

PIE definitely had such a negative affect on the gay rights movement. It was illegal to be gay in Scotland til 1980. For my great uncle that is half his life. He did have people assume that because he was gay he must be a paedophile. This destroys lives in more ways than one.

It is good that this is getting picked up by the tabloids. I think it is the only way to stop it. But I do worry that some tabloid readers don’t have any subtlety and that it will reinforce prejudice.

I think there is a grain of truth to be recognised that in different cultures it isn't seen as abusive, and that we view men who behave in that way as abusers when they would not view themselves that way. So, say a 60yr old tribal elder taking a 14 yr old 3rd wife wouldn't be seen as an abuser in their own community. They would not be doing anything transgressive in that community.

However it's unacceptable and the culture there needs to be challenged until it becomes transgressive. Does that make sense? It's absolutely not a reason to say 'oh perhaps we're wrong after all, and sexual relationships with children aren't always a bad thing.' They absolutely are. Obviously.

Why only the Daily Mail? I wish some other media outlets would pick this up. We need a panarama episode on it

@Pertella

havelock

Oh, okay. So these gentlemen must also think that the condemnation of capital punishment for homosexuality is also just us imposing our views on the global south, right? I mean, surely it isn't just the legalised rape of little girls that they're good with?

Funny. The modern left want Rowling cancelled for saying sex exists and matters, but they're just fine with open paedophile apologism.

But I do worry that some tabloid readers don’t have any subtlety and that it will reinforce prejudice.

As opposed to readers of the Guardian?

The Guardian have failed massively on this issue. It does need to be sorted out by someone responsible before it gets to Tommy Robinson and internet paedophile hunters.