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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

“Dice game” to be included in new RSE from September?

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EyesOpening · 27/06/2020 07:21

I have just come across this on Twitter, I haven’t read it properly yet. There may already be a thread regarding it, not sure how to look properly.
Thoughts?
twitter.com/worriedmumofone/status/1273317806952648705?s=21

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CaraDune · 27/06/2020 09:10

I think this was discussed on one of the Baroness Nicholson threads. My DS would be horrified and mortified if a teacher tried to get him to play that game.

SerenityNowwwww · 27/06/2020 09:16

I just don’t get why they are teaching 3-6 year olds about gender - and not in a good way (Betty plays with cars. Good for Betty. Billy wants a doll. Good for Billy.).

Winesalot · 27/06/2020 09:19

It is a resource available from The Proud Trust. I am not sure it is ‘recommended’ but the Baroness has written about the new syllabus to Gavin Williamson including a new letter yesterday about the way anal sex was portrayed.

If you have school aged children maybe contact their school to discuss it. And I also got in touch with my borough about it too.

nauticant · 27/06/2020 09:30

I think this was discussed on one of the Baroness Nicholson threads

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1276563162502959107

Mindsci · 02/09/2020 10:11

You may want to ask your child's school how they propose to teach Relationship and Sex Education. This is an article from The Times, some of which you might find offensive.

t.co/Ivj7Tm6ZeR?amp=1

zanahoria · 02/09/2020 10:18

"no judgement is made"

Judgements have already been made by including this

Zeugma · 02/09/2020 10:21

There have been a number of other recent threads about this, EyesOpening - this one in FWR and this one in AIBU which started off rather discouragingly but soon got onto a more sensible footing, imho. Worth a read.

Essentially, you are not alone in being very concerned.

namechange9357 · 02/09/2020 10:57

I would have died inside if I'd had to discuss that in year 8 or 9 with the PE teachers who usually took PSE. It seems like an institutional abuse on all concerned including the (I imagine in most cases) unwilling teacher.

PopperUppleton · 02/09/2020 11:24

Jo March doing her stuff again in the comments on that Times article. Good for her!

ChattyLion · 02/09/2020 12:12

Urgh no. Where is the education here?
It is not educational to discuss ‘what sexual activity is possible’ using random combinations of body parts and ‘objects’. (What, anything?) Where is the relationships and consent context? The safer sex information?

These idiots can fuck off with their ‘no judgement’ approach. this is stirring up questions that many teachers are going to be wildly ill equipped to answer and encouraging misogynistic approach to female orifices.

Like many parents, I have campaigned for RSE to be compulsory where it is teaching kids something important like about consent, mutual pleasure and safer sex etc. This is none of that. School should be covering relationships and sex with reliable evidence-based, age appropriate information.

There is zero educational point of just getting kids to talk about sexual practices in the classroom- in front of peers and adults in authority- without teaching them anything?
That just establishes sexualised norms with the authority of it taking place in a whole-class school setting.

Great quotes in that Times article, from Safe Schools Alliance and I am particularly happy to see a government MP supporting this critique:

‘Jackie Doyle-Price, the Tory MP for Thurrock, said: “I fully supported the introduction of RSE into schools as I firmly believed it would be a force for empowering girls to take more control of their bodies and their relationships against a background of increasingly sexualised behaviour in schools and abuse of under-age girls. It is with horror that I see materials being produced which do the exact opposite. Schools should be teaching about mutual respect and consent and safe sex. That such materials have been funded by tampon tax grants is just appalling.”

Tanya Carter, a spokeswoman for Safe Schools Alliance, said: “This ‘resource’ clearly breaches safeguarding. The tampon tax should be used to educate girls on their rights — not prematurely sexualise them.

“When delivering RSE, teachers must be mindful that there will be children in the class who have been or are being sexually abused or exploited and that the lessons will be traumatising for them. It is important that schools widely consult parents and staff to avoid inappropriate materials such as this slipping through the net.”

TheFleegleHasLanded · 02/09/2020 12:22

Full background to this game is here, thanks to Shelley Charlesworth:

www.transgendertrend.com/proud-trust-nothing-proud/

Worth taking the time to read the whole thing.

EyesOpening · 02/09/2020 12:36

@Zeugma

There have been a number of other recent threads about this, EyesOpening - this one in FWR and this one in AIBU which started off rather discouragingly but soon got onto a more sensible footing, imho. Worth a read.

Essentially, you are not alone in being very concerned.

Thank you, yes I have been reading them too (not got to the end yet). I wrote to my MP, he was not impressed with this toolkit, thankfully, and passed his concerns on to the Education minister. I am concerned whether there are any regulations on who can state their products are suitable for the curriculum, as The Proud Trust have on their website, and what is able to be viewed before purchase as I went on the website and you can’t see all of it, so the person responsible for purchasing the school’s resources might be making their decisions without full knowledge but relying on the claim that the product is suitable
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NearlyGranny · 02/09/2020 13:15

Any adult encouraging children in their care to speculate aloud about how various body parts can come together for sexual pleasure is laying themself open to an interpretation of grooming, imo.

ChattyLion · 02/09/2020 13:32

Christ.. that blog Fleegle. That shitty dice rolling game is clearly only the tip of the iceberg. Sad

Zeugma · 03/09/2020 09:42

Yes, Fleegle, that blog is absolutely chilling. The comments are also interesting - especially the person who notes that they attended one of the training sessions and politely raised questions about the Equality Act and how aspects of the training materials didn't comply (and contravened safeguarding as well). Then discovered a week later that the trainer had put in a complaint about them....WTAF?

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