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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Baroness Nicholson 'cancelled' by Booker board

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BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy · 25/06/2020 08:21

They will not rest until every disobedient woman is purged from society.

www.thebookseller.com/news/booker-prize-nicholson-barr-1207926

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justanotherneighinparadise · 25/06/2020 20:14

This text is interest re. an academic expressing an opinion re. BLM, stating that white lives don’t matter. Cambridge University promoted her and released a statement saying they defend the right of their academics to state lawful opinions that others many find controversial.

I am 100% sure that if that same academic had stated that women are adult human females she would have been sacked.

Baroness Nicholson 'cancelled' by Booker board
happydappy2 · 25/06/2020 20:36

I hate to say it but any publicity is good publicity-a woman being cancelled for holding a perfectly legitimate point of view, is bad for everyone. She had a vote, she used it, she is not homophobic. This is just more sunlight on the hideousness of what's happening right now. Anyone with eyes in their head can see it, people are waking up to this and our numbers are growing. I for one am not going to give up-I'm spreading awareness to everyone I meet!

AbsintheFriends · 25/06/2020 21:03

I think we do have to keep reminding ourselves that twitter is not real life.

(It concerns me that journalism is increasingly about reporting what happens on twitter as if it is, though.)

BabyItsAWildWorld · 25/06/2020 21:40

I've joined this: freespeechunion.org/join/

Yes it's Toby Young which will cause much hand wringing I'm sure.
But I don't care; I like the fact people say controversial things I don't agree with. I want them to.

Long list of other supporters on the site, many lawyers, which is good to see. They have been supporting Posie.

For me this collective think that is being enforced is scary, and it's a much bigger issue than the GRA, but it is what is allowing women's rights to be removed.

We seem to be rapidly moving ever further from classic liberal values and that should worry us all. It's never gone well in history.

transdimensional · 25/06/2020 22:30

@justanotherneighinparadise

This text is interest re. an academic expressing an opinion re. BLM, stating that white lives don’t matter. Cambridge University promoted her and released a statement saying they defend the right of their academics to state lawful opinions that others many find controversial.

I am 100% sure that if that same academic had stated that women are adult human females she would have been sacked.

It's surely a good thing that Cambridge have defended Dr Gopal, because their defence of free speech isn't specific to her or to one issue. If in future a Cambridge academic does say that there are two sexes, or something equally controversial, this will increase their chances of being allowed to get away with it
ScrimpshawTheSecond · 25/06/2020 22:43

Thanks, Baby. Looks interesting. Will have a thorough read of it and consider joining. I had to leave Liberty.

Abraid2 · 26/06/2020 09:41

even in the 18th century the politics was weirdly not much difference. The wealthy right wing faction earning their wealth through other peoples misery. The left wing liberals, the underclass. Nothing really changes. It just comes in waves

Except it's the left-wing liberals now who want to give away women's rights.

Waferbiscuit · 26/06/2020 09:43

Damian Barr used to care about women's rights and had a more measured view. Now he cares about Damian Barr and profile building.

So much of this is just showing off who has the most friends in high places to bully organisations. Very worrying.

Abraid2 · 26/06/2020 09:50

I'm shocked by DB. He seemed one of the good guys.

Waferbiscuit · 26/06/2020 09:57

@abraid2 what Damian Barr fails to realise is that an MP voting against same sex marriage based on her religious beliefs really isn't a personal slight against him.

Do we really need to do a values assessment for every senior post holder. And who decides who passes the test?

justanotherneighinparadise · 26/06/2020 09:57

I just read the last few tweets of DB where he talks about all the terrible hateful tweets he has apparently received. It made me think once again about the professional victim chart that exists and who seems to sit at the top and who resides at the bottom. Off the top of my head I’m guessing the person sitting right at the bottom with no ability to wave the victim card has to be the heterosexual white male living a heteronormative lifestyle with right wing views. Just above him has to be the white gender critical female. Preferably a middle aged gender critical female as having lost the ability to reproduce they are now pretty much worthless. Do we think being a lesbian GC female puts them lower than a heterosexual GC female. I’m pondering this 🤔

merrymouse · 26/06/2020 09:58

Damian Barr used to care about women's rights and had a more measured view.

Really? Or was he just trotting out the approved doctrine?

Kit19 · 26/06/2020 10:10

i dont doubt at all that DB has sufered and continues to suffer from homophobia at all

but as a man he's not being asked to give up anything to accommodate TW

like most men women's rights only matter to him up to the point where it challenges him and then suddenly they can go under the bus

poppyfieldsinmay · 26/06/2020 10:18

@BabyItsAWildWorld

Thanks for the free speech link. I'll look into this.
I've written to PEN asking them why they are not speaking out in support of gender critical women being allowed to express their opinions, particularly in light of JKR and Barness Nicolson. I sent them a link to this - women writers and artists talking about what they faced when they spoke out. wildwomanwritingclub.wordpress.com/2020/06/10/what-it-costs-women_speak-out/

I've also expressed my views to the Booker Board, and sent letters of support to JKR's publishers and agents. I think its important to start to be vocal to those taking a public stance on these issues.

FantaOra · 26/06/2020 10:23

He's written this...

@Damian_Barr
·
24 Jun
theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/24/authors-call-for-removal-of-emma-nicholson-booker-prize-foundation-over-homophobic-views

The Booker Prizes have done so much to celebrate writers and support readers. All their good work is being undone by their continued support for this person who is dragging them through the mud and behaving in a way that would get anyone else fired.

I'm pretty sure he's the one dragging someone through the mud here. What a nasty man, steer clear of him, he's viscous.

lionheart · 26/06/2020 10:24

Here's what else she is doing to stand up for women and girls:

Baroness Nicholson
@Baroness_Nichol

'The AMAR Foundation I founded in 1991 took up the Yazidi cause as the murderers rampaged in June 2014.We care for 75,000 Yazidi girls and women now in dismal camps,giving life,hope,health,learning to the suicidal raped girls.Can you support my work?'
@AMARLondon

FantaOra · 26/06/2020 10:24

Vicious obviously.

Abraid2 · 26/06/2020 10:26

[quote Waferbiscuit]@abraid2 what Damian Barr fails to realise is that an MP voting against same sex marriage based on her religious beliefs really isn't a personal slight against him.

Do we really need to do a values assessment for every senior post holder. And who decides who passes the test?[/quote]
Exactly.

lionheart · 26/06/2020 10:38

Beyond re-education redemption.

justanotherneighinparadise · 26/06/2020 10:52

Journalists no longer bother digging for news. They look on Twitter.

merrymouse · 26/06/2020 11:00

Do we really need to do a values assessment for every senior post holder. And who decides who passes the test?

The Bookers Prize should really start on this now - it's going to be a long job and they will need their lawyers to advise on how their new policy interacts with rules against religious discrimination. They will need to check all past winners and judges, with particular attention to anyone with links to the C of E - e.g. went to a C of E school, shook hands with the Queen etc.

It's going to be a long job, and they might have to postpone announcing the prize for a few years, but at least they can be sure of their principles!

merrymouse · 26/06/2020 11:02

This is odd from Sarah Perry:

I would also add there is a world of difference between someone merely holding views, and someone in a position of power affirming those views publicly and irresponsibly and with no regard for distress caused to individuals or disrepute brought on an institution

You can hold views, but you can't express them?

(And I'm still not sure which views Baroness Nicholson is supposed to have affirmed?)

merrymouse · 26/06/2020 11:07

What does she mean by 'affirming views' - voting?

Is the assumption that anyone who voted against gay marriage must be assumed to have renounced their views, or be banned from public life?

Lamahaha · 26/06/2020 11:15

Has this Times article been posted yet? Sorry -- I haven't mastered the art of the share token.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/weve-got-to-reject-the-intolerance-of-woke-warriors-s93wzvpw9?fbclid=IwAR2IJIAEfW6f3CBAgClCCeRc4Owls7K-fgjFEIg0-2wVkBwi1Emavy59CJ8

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