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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fact Check??? Pink news on crazy pills.

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Ginnyhip46 · 24/06/2020 02:48

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/19/channel-4-news-jk-rowling-itn-transphobia-trans-women-men-fact-check-pinknews/

Words fail me.

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TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 24/06/2020 08:29

'humiliating', 'medicalised'

Do men not realise, that even when completely healthy, a lot (possibly even most) see a doctor once or twice a year their whole lives?

When I was under 20, it was for the pill every 3-6 months (depending on how easy going the doctor was about re-prescribing) - not bad, but a hassle, bloodpressure, and a chat.

Then once you hit 21, it's a smear test every couple of years, still the pill appointments. Then perhaps you get pregnant, and all dignity is chucked out of the window. Perhaps it's quiet for a few years, just the smears, maybe still the pill, then you hit 50 and the mammograms kick in too.

We're continuously poked and prodded for our own good - I wonder if this is another case of TW being treated as W and thinking that they're getting some kind of especially bad treatment, when actually it's entirely normal.

On that subject, I just signed up with a new GP realising it had been too long since my last smear, and thinking it was about time I had my boobs checked. On the phone I matter of factly said my weight, and described myself as morbidly obese (we were talking about general health). She was horrified - told me to never describe myself that way, that it wasn't useful. I was stunned. Every (male) doctor I've ever had, for almost any appointment I've ever had from veruccas to chest infections has included a lecture about my weight. I'm actually looking forward to getting thoughtful care that goes beyond 'you should lose weight, that'll help it' and actually listens to the problem rather than seeing a tubby middle-aged mother and making assumptions.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/06/2020 08:30

But that's not what it says
70% of the public responding..."

I agree, and I would think that apparently clumsy wording is deliberate, to strengthen the suggestion that 70% of the whole public agrees with GRA self ID, when in fact their 2018 poll suggests that only 19% of the population do.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/06/2020 08:31

The poll at the same time as the GRA consultation, let's be clear.

merrymouse · 24/06/2020 08:37

Neither C4 nor JKR denied that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria is required.

The word 'cis' is not mentioned in any legislation.

FloralBunting · 24/06/2020 08:48

You can almost smell the narc rage spilling off the page. How many more spluttering, obsessed articles do you think PN will churn out?

Apollo440 · 24/06/2020 08:58

How many people are rejected for GRCs by the process and for what reason? I seem to remember that the answer was 'interesting' and not at all supportive of self id (men were abusing the system so how more wouldn't do so under a free for all is anyones guess).

EmpressLangClegSpartacus · 24/06/2020 09:57

How many people are rejected for GRCs by the process and for what reason?

Well, if a transman giving birth isn’t an example of them not ‘living as a man’ I don’t know what is.

Datun · 24/06/2020 09:59

It's like Catch-22, isn't it? Any man can apply, but as soon as they say they want to apply, they're not a man.

I remember Theresa May at some pink news award, standing up and talking about GRA reforms.

I can't imagine a single politician ever giving these people the time of day now.

They have absolutely lost the plot.

We always knew that transactivists had absolutely nothing in their arsenal. There Is no coherent argument whatsoever.

But having been found out, I didn't think that they would be coming across as quite this batty. Both the frothing rage at JKR, and the cringe propaganda in the media.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 24/06/2020 10:02

But having been found out, I didn't think that they would be coming across as quite this batty. Both the frothing rage at JKR, and the cringe propaganda in the media.

I must be some sort of radfem Nostradamus, because I did. This is exactly how I expected them to react.

Datun · 24/06/2020 10:08

Maybe I didn't expect them to be quite as open about it.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 24/06/2020 10:11

I doubt that we've seen the limit of how open they're going to get yet. I'm fully expecting the attempt to mask sexual demands as anything other than what they are to publicly drop at some point.

Datun · 24/06/2020 10:13

It's so backwards. Its people like pink news, who provide the temperature check for me.

Reading what they write tells you everything you need to know about which direction this is going.

Artesia · 24/06/2020 10:19

I think it’s brilliant- if the team at Channel 4 news/ ITN experience a tiny fraction of the usual TRA backlash, it will surely prompt more of a spotlight on this whole farce, which clearly doesn’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny or questioning.

SarahTancredi · 24/06/2020 10:25

Bloody hell talk about paranoid. They think everyones out to get them. No mate their job is to check facts which they did. Facts dont care about identities or feelings. Facts just are facts. If you had done your job properly and told the truth then channel 4 wouldn't have had to correct you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/06/2020 10:55

Maybe I didn't expect them to be quite as open about it.

You're expecting them to have a shred of self awareness at how they come across. Or to be able to differentiate between good and bad attention.

Datun · 24/06/2020 11:21

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Maybe I didn't expect them to be quite as open about it.

You're expecting them to have a shred of self awareness at how they come across. Or to be able to differentiate between good and bad attention.

IKR? 😃

I thought there may have been enough secret meetings telling them how to ingratiate themselves with people, so that they didn't almost literally just beat them over the head with batshit demands.

BatShite · 24/06/2020 11:28

Channel 4 News alarmingly stands by JK Rowling’s inaccurate and disturbing assertion that trans women are men

How completely and utterly shocking and disusting. They need tme mermaids training to get them back on the 'right side of history'. How very dare they write the truth, instead of pretending that male pople are infact female people and anyone who believes contrary is a bigot who should die in a fire.

BatShite · 24/06/2020 11:31

Also as usual..

But the report fails to clarify that, no, a “man” cannot do this. Yes, a trans woman, assigned male at birth, can obtain a gender recognition certificate after a lengthy process without surgery. But a cis man can not do this.

Eh? Makes no sense. A transwoman could, but a man can't. So we tell the difference between the two how? Self identified TW is basically..any male who says it.

Ca't believe PN has tried this angle instead of just bloody amitting they purposely printed false info and are pissed they were called out on it. NO WAY do I believe PN was not aware that its possible to get a GRC without any surgery/hormones.

SarahTancredi · 24/06/2020 11:35

Ca't believe PN has tried this angle instead of just bloody amitting they purposely printed false info and are pissed they were called out on it. NO WAY do I believe PN was not aware that its possible to get a GRC without any surgery/hormones

Well the whole "defence" has been - it will never happen. The anger now facts are coming to light is very obvious

BatShite · 24/06/2020 11:40

Instead, sources told The Sunday Times, despite an overwhelming 70 per cent of the public responding to a government consultation on introducing self-identification, ministers are choosing to ignore public views altogether.

Is this true? I didn't even know the results were done yet..I find it extremely hard to believe that 70% were in favour of self ID..

I did try searching this forum but I couldn't find anything on the results..

SarahTancredi · 24/06/2020 11:44

The results were part of a targeted campaign to skew the results. Many werent even from the UK but stonewall and co apparently urged people to send in pre filled responses. Or something like that .

PN ran their own survey and got very different results even they couldnt manipulative in any way to look remotely in their favour

BatShite · 24/06/2020 11:48

OK finished reading thread now, really need to get into the habit of reading in full then replying Blush

I am sick to the back teeth of hearing of how 'hard' and 'dehumanising' and such the GRC application is.

I am longterm disabled, and I wish everyone who whinges about how unnecessarily stressful it is to send in a letter in 'the opposite sex name' could have the experience of an 'assesment' for disability benefits. Wish a doctors note was enough for me..in fact a 6cm thick file of medical evidence still got me 'cured' and having to wait 2 years to get it sorted. And this happens over and over. And I have been asked questions such as 'if you are in so much pain all of the time, how come you have not killed yourself' Hmm

BatShite · 24/06/2020 11:50

The results were part of a targeted campaign to skew the results. Many werent even from the UK but stonewall and co apparently urged people to send in pre filled responses. Or something like that

PN ran their own survey and got very different results even they couldnt manipulative in any way to look remotely in their favour

Ah yeah I remember that stonewall thing, think the greens did it too, telling people to send in spam rather than actually answering, of course that wouldn't have looked good and such answers were not to be taken seriously! Stnewall were even encouraging minors to send it in, even though it was clearly for adults.

LOL at PN trying though. Will have a proper search later on as would like to read this Grin

BovaryX · 24/06/2020 13:01

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CrazyToast · 24/06/2020 13:20

government officials have stressed to PinkNews that, no, a cis man cannot obtain a GRC

The point is, they won't have to. They can wander into women's loos and changing rooms and if challenged say 'I am a trans woman' and no one will be able to do anything.

Self-ID and Stonewall definitions mean anyone can say they are trans and gain access, even those who look clearly masculine and male.

This endangers genuine trans women using women's facilities too. I keep saying this.