Do Trans identifying people have more rights than women?

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Under the EA 2010 both women and trans identifying people are covered by sex as everyone has a sex.

Trans identifying people are also covered by gender reassignment - even if they've only ever thought about transitioning.

Under hate crime legislation, misogyny is not a hate crime category but trans is.

Then trans identifying people have the right to change their birth certificate under the GRA.

Furthermore the announcement by Truss does not propose removing any of these rights.

Am I missing something here? What rights are trans identifying people campaigning for?

They are campaigning for the right to be treated as the opposite sex with as little bureaucracy or medical process as possible.

This of course implies the right for men to make use of women's single-sex spaces.

Yes, males who identify as women are protected against hate crimes...women aren’t.

What rights are trans identifying people campaigning for?

1. For their internal sense of themselves, however incoherent and unrelated to their presentation or biology, to be recognised as material truth in law and in all social interactions including same-sex spaces and sexual encounters.
2. For anything vaguely unpleasant or reality-based said to or near them to be deemed a hate crime.
3. To be treated fairly - only they're not really sure what that means or looks like, because it's all so incoherent.

Would also add, of course: it's activists, not all trans-identifying people. (Kindly pay attention, anyone scrolling through here seeking out the apparent genocidal tendencies of this forum's users)

The right of transgender persons to unfettered access to women and girls in various states of undress in all public areas from schools to Parliament.
The right of transgender persons to displace women and girls in competition for positions in the public sphere from sports to Parliament.

Well the law is pretty ok really.

The problem is that lots of orgs etc are ignoring the law or have interpreted it in ways it's not intended for various reasons

Eg in schools by law they must have single sex changing and toilets from age 8
Ignored

Single sex wards always meant single gender and the public were misled

GG have a single sex exemption. As a charity.
They have decided this is single gender with no basis. They are now discriminating against boys (some can join GG some can't) based on, well nothing really.

The change to recording crime from sex to declared gender. On the quiet. I can't imagine the govt stats people are happy.

Etc etc

Isn't it against the rules to use the 'trans-identifying' term? It's dehumanizing.

@LokiOdinson

Isn't it against the rules to use the 'trans-identifying' term? It's dehumanizing.

Why?

What non-human species identifies as trans?

Report if you wish, Loki.

It's an easy process.

Out of interest Loki.

How would you describe someone like Karen white, Tiffany Scott, or yaniv in Canada?

This is tiffany Scott:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/1492364/transgender-prisoner-tiffany-scott-andrew-burns-dangerous-sheriff/amp/

Is it really dehumanising to say that Tiffany is a trans woman? A trans identifying male?

Note the article refers to Tiffany as she throughout.

My understanding is that there are no category A prisons for women in the UK.

People, sorry women, convicted of rape (a crime trust requires a penis in England and Wales) have been placed in women's prisons.

Tell me again what is dehumanising?

Well as a perimenopausal, ovulator, menstruator, womb having, cervix owner,

I am asking YOU who is being dehumanised here.

As I understand it the term "transgender identified male" or "transgender identified female" that we adopted in the interest of clarity were disallowed because the individual does not identify as trans but rather as the opposite sex, either female or male respectively.
Trans identified people refers to people who do identify as trans.

I mean at this point who gives a fuck.

Mixed sex wards in hospitals
Mixed sex to toilets.
No way to challenge a creepy bloke on the bogs
,l
'penis havers' locked in prison with Women. Penis havers'who have been convicted of violent multiple rape

Ok
Tonight. I put my money where my mouth is.

My name is sardinequeen and I have fucking had enough.

Trans people ARE humans.

How can trans lives matter if referring to trans status is dehumanising?

They appear to have the right to oblige women to lie in a court of law. Tara whatnot successfully demanded Maria MacLachlan refer to Tara - Maria's attacker - as she despite the evidence of Maria's own eyes . The judge required her to lie - because Tara said so.

I suspect were I to go to court - as the suspect - and demanded that the court and the witnesses referred to me as JK Rowling throughout - I would be told to get to fuck.

Essentially the 'rights' the activist political lobby are seeking:

1. to remove in law all sex based rights. This prevents female humans having female only provision. At all. Ever. No female only groups, no right to choose a female hcps, no female only spaces including hospital wards and refuges, no provisions or exclusions of any kind for females who cannot tolerate mixed sex spaces due to faith, culture, disability, trauma etc. This removes any limit of any kind on a male born person's validation of identity and enforcing recognition of it by others in all contexts without exception. The impact this would have on females, particularly vulnerable females in disadvantaged groups? They don't give a .

2. To be recognised, in law, on personal say so, as holding the identity the person says they have, although they are objectively and demonstrably not. And to have equal entitlement to resources set aside for, and be treated in all ways as if they were, one of those who hold objectively are of that group. Regardless of the impact that has upon the group who objectively are of that group, and objectively need those resources to meet biologically factual needs that the identifying person does not have.

There's other bits, but those are the biggies.

It's dehumanizing.

What, like menstruators, cervix havers, the c** word, female and woman becoming dirty words nice people don't say (particularly on products marketed to female people), rape threats, death threats, baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire, PIE slogans on kids' materials, police convinced that the EqA2010 doesn't cover sex based rights in law, and on and on and on and on, a woman talking about her DV being told she's weaponizing her victimhood...…

That kind of thing you mean? Because proportionately.... ?

males who identify as women are protected against hate crimes...women aren’t.

Isn't this telling.

I remember there was some 'equality' legislation which even discriminated against women who wanted to identify as something other than women. Females/women are still discriminated from inheriting entailed estates which only allowed inheritance to go through the male line by identifying as men. The 'equality' legislation discriminated against women. No identifying your way out of that. They could see reality for that one!

Under hate crime legislation, misogyny is not a hate crime category but trans is.

This is really the one that screams to me. Especially considering the rise in targeted incel terrorism.

The last two posts put it in a nutshell.

The right to be consulted on everything and anything

Let's be honest, it's a very loose use of the word 'consult'. It in practice means to have primary control and right of veto over anything and everything.

"How can trans lives matter if referring to trans status is dehumanising?"

I never said that. I'm not going to discuss this further if you're all just going to put words in my mouth. The term 'trans identifying x' is dehumanising and isn't how we want to be referred to. I don't want to be called anything based on my genitals, and if people prefer to be referred to as a woman then of course I'll use that. I've always said I'm happy to answer questions as long as people are respectful but they never are and they just sealion/debate in bad faith - and no, this isn't a gender thing. I think it costs very little for everybody to be respectful.

If the word 'c**' (using asterisks to prevent myself from being banned/warned, despite not seeing it as a dirty word) is banned because of the same mod post, using 'trans identified x' should also be banned. It's hypocritical to mention both and only ban one.

I have an idea. Everytime a woman experiences misogyny, she should complain to the police and identify as male, therefore making it a hate crime against a transperson.

Loki yes it is against the rules. You can report it if you want.

'. I don't want to be called anything based on my genitals'

Can you expand on this?

The words male female man woman girl boy he she are based on biology (genitals being a part of that). Do you want these words no longer used, or do you want to change their definitions, and if so, to what?

How will you deal with situations where it is relevant?