Do Trans identifying people have more rights than women?

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Under the EA 2010 both women and trans identifying people are covered by sex as everyone has a sex.

Trans identifying people are also covered by gender reassignment - even if they've only ever thought about transitioning.

Under hate crime legislation, misogyny is not a hate crime category but trans is.

Then trans identifying people have the right to change their birth certificate under the GRA.

Furthermore the announcement by Truss does not propose removing any of these rights.

Am I missing something here? What rights are trans identifying people campaigning for?

Loki, you may not see c** as a dirty word. I do. You may see the other phrase as dehumanising. I don't. Both those words are against the rules on the forum because it's a world where people have different views and different preferences.

That's fine so long as one isn't trying to forcibly get the other to comply. That's the only quarrel I have here. I'm happy for you to term yourself any way you feel is right for you so long as you're happy to show me the same consideration. The same goes for the transactivist political lobby which is what we're really talking about here, not individuals.

If it could just be accepted that some people prefer not to define themselves by sex but others do, some people don't want sex based spaces and others do, and both are ok and provided for, and these varied beliefs and choices all live side by side..... we could all go and do something a whole lot less stressful.

I'm perfectly open to respectful questions too, incidentally.

Loki, the power and privilege is all with the penis-havers. You identify as whatever you want. I'll follow the rules here, and in real life I'll keep myself safe and call you nothing at all. I'll stay away. Because people who were born with penises scare me. I'm suffering immensely due to trans individuals in women's spaces.

@Fairenuff

I have an idea. Everytime a woman experiences misogyny, she should complain to the police and identify as male, therefore making it a hate crime against a transperson.

That's actually a very good idea.

If women got on board this hate incident bandwagon, we would sink it pretty quickly.

Won't work.

Men are whatever they say they are and women are what men say they are.

Police would say don't be silly you're a woman go away.

@Binterested

They appear to have the right to oblige women to lie in a court of law. Tara whatnot successfully demanded Maria MacLachlan refer to Tara - Maria's attacker - as she despite the evidence of Maria's own eyes . The judge required her to lie - because Tara said so.

I suspect were I to go to court - as the suspect - and demanded that the court and the witnesses referred to me as JK Rowling throughout - I would be told to get to fuck.

Stonewall provided the advice to the courts on how to refer to all the various identities that are covered by the trans umbrella. Which explains why the policy is homophobic and misogynist.

Which is my statements broke the guidelines? They were all things that are happening.

The MN admin team encourages questions if you do not understand a decision though you should be warned that asking question of the ad team is the path to banning.

. I have read that convicted rapists who identify as female can be sent to a women's prison?

Kweggie, this is correct.

And it's happened irl

Just as the first person prosecuted for FGM was a woman, I think the first person prosecuted for misogyny will be a woman.

Well the equalities laws have certainly been leveraged by men to improve their lives to the detriment of women.

@Thelnebriati

Just as the first person prosecuted for FGM was a woman, I think the first person prosecuted for misogyny will be a woman.

Here in the US the first person to be prosecuted under a law that was supposed to protect pregnant women from abusive partners harming them in hopes of causing the pregnancy to abort was a woman who suffered a spontaneous abortion.

Under hate crime legislation, misogyny is not a hate crime category but trans is.

This is it. How is this allowed. Men just shout down anybody who points this out.

Oh yes of course they are.

Here in the US the first person to be prosecuted under a law that was supposed to protect pregnant women from abusive partners harming them in hopes of causing the pregnancy to abort was a woman who suffered a spontaneous abortion.

That is horrific. It should be shocking, but it isn't.

That law in the USA was always going to be used against women and I think that was flagged before it passed.

I have a feeling it also was an 'in' to a foetus having 'personhood' rights in law which of course is a disaster for women.

Under hate crime legislation, misogyny is not a hate crime category but trans is

With that though is if misogyny is made a hate crime, misandry should be too.

It wouldn't be misogyny, it would likely follow the equalities act (sex is a protected characteristic) and existing wordings eg race, religion, it doesn't specify which ones.

Which particular misandric hate crimes were you thinking of, to protect men?

2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

Under hate crime legislation, misogyny is not a hate crime category but trans is

With that though is if misogyny is made a hate crime, misandry should be too.

True. All the women posting hateful manifestos online and then buying guns to go and shoot men... it's MADNESS I tell you.

Women are afraid men will kill them.

Men are afraid women will laugh at them.

So true. That'd be the difference between the majority of misogynistic and misandrist hate crimes.