Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 5

[ItsLateHumpty]

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember our monitors would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691023-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-4

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches

Mammatino glad/sad it resonated.

This is what I mean about posting here being like self harm.

It's humiliating to speak, and then have one's words expunged for thought crime, when we were talking about women and girls at one of the most vulnerable, most difficult times of their lives.

I mean, really....we cannot speak openly and honestly about women and girls experience of being sectioned? Of being so ill and so traumatized that one more impost is too much?

It's ok that the same power structures in psychiatry that minimize, punish, goad, manipulate girls and woman can be replicated in feminist chat and it's OK? Not only OK, but our fault?

There is more I want to say, but can't. That's been made very clear.

I'd like to know if the entire topic of female experience in psychiatric care is verboten here. And if so, what possible justification can there be for that?

*Contentious. I agree with every word you've said.

Spot on, @ContentiousOne
I've been furious about this all day.
(I hope it's ok to join this thread btw)

There’s a poster going down the JAQing route that has tripped my spidey senses. They used one of the banned words that annoys FWRers. However, I am quite happy to let it play out because the responses to the endless questions are excellent and will be very informative for anyone new to the topic.

Also, 💐 for those of you who posted such personal experiences on the MH thread. I’ve learned so much from posts like yours over the years.

I think Flores' (exceptionally moving) post at the end of the thread was deleted for the same reason my much earlier one was. I thought I was within guidelines, but I think the problem is this guideline:

3. Sweeping negative generalisations about any group, including trans people and gender-critical feminists, won’t be tolerated.

It seemed to me that the first thread was deleted for specifics "X person was appointed to Y position" which is deemed to be against guidelines because of criticism of an individual, whereas the second thread was deleted because of many generalisations, many women saying "I don't want any man or any male bodied person doing X, Y or Z.

I'm not sure how these topics can be discussed if neither specific examples nor general possibilities/scenarios/hypotheticals are allowed

Added to which, both threads must have been reported to fuck, I'd say the entire mod team spent yesterday answering reports. Such a waste of everyone's time.

to all who have shared their stories.

We watch and learn. Deletions and reports of women sharing their deeply felt and painful experiences. Very telling.

At this point Twitter are less heavy handed with their deletions policy than MNHQ. Deleting women for talking about their experiences on mental health wards - not their finest hour.

The deletion of both those threads is very disturbing, especially given the heartfelt posts from women who had a very valid perspective on mental health services.
Standing for women on Facebook has a link to photographs in the public domain that are also disturbing.

@DianasLasso

I will confine myself to saying what a shame it is that we have lost so many fascinating and heart-rending first person testimonies about the difficulties of being a sexual abuse survivor, the mental trauma this can cause, and the difficulties of healing from this trauma within patriarchal institutions which set up institutional structures which favour men's rights over women's needs for a safe therapeutic envoironment in which to heal.

to all those who shared their stories. I read them, I felt for you, and I learned from you.

This.

The fact some people are desperate to silence and obliterate those posts speaks volumes on quite how moving, and important, they were.

Interesting to see the comments on the online meeting were being deleted as they came up. Women’s words or feelings are discounted in favour of the man. Women were asking valid questions that were never answered, including those with experience of the mental health settings.

FFS.

So we can add talking about women and girls’ experiences of mental health wards and how they perceive, and would like, their actual treatment to be to the list of things we can’t talk about.

Early last year I talked about how, in my dd’s case, her gender dysphoria was caused by severe OCD - that thread was deleted. It had been extrapolated that talking about our own experience implied all transgender people are mentally ill. Mind you, this was at the same time as moderators agreed that the phrase ‘Take a long walk off a short pier’ was a death threat.

It’s all very oppressive.

@Cocothefirst

FFS.

Quite.

@Cocothefirst

FFS.

Exactly.

Another thing to add to list of ‘Things not to be talked about’.

Updating from 23rd July (see *)

FWR is a no go zone for...

irreverence
sarcasm
humour
depreciation (of anything except women/woman/female)
recipes
repeating accepted mantras
peaking
acronyms beginning with A
piss taking (see humour I guess?)
biscuit emoji
yawns
bless
*observations of our oppression
*recounting our stories (if they make some people look bad)
*mods, mod’ding, FWR talk guidelines

We must be more...

depreciative (of self)
serious
subservient
supporting
supplicant
polite
measured
self censoring
space saving
speak less, learn more
meek
mild
accomodating
accomplished (in areas proscribed)
*forgetful
*mindful

Don’t forget Kind Humpty

Mind you, this was at the same time as moderators agreed that the phrase ‘Take a long walk off a short pier’ was a death threat

Oh yeah 😀 i should have been sniggering a lot earlier 🤔

Fucking ridiculous, and what sort of person do you have to be to report on that basis ? 😀

Actually i know the answer to that one....but deletions, strikes, banning etc

Unfortunately, there's seems to be a lot of activity. I know this is 'touching nerves' but it is likely to get worse. MN has a very wide audience and this is a threat and therefore any way to disrupt is being used. Hey Ho

Thank you to all of you who posted personal stories

Another thing to add to list of ‘Things not to be talked about’.

Quite. The list seems exhaustive. And exhausting.

As predicted

Mens hurty feelz take priority at all times

What the hell? Just got deleted again for the third time. None of my deletions have been for anything that is expressly banned in the Talk Guidelines. Or were not banned at the time of my post. Maybe I'm out of here...