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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 5

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ItsLateHumpty · 20/06/2020 15:04

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember our monitors would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691023-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-4

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches Gin

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FloresTorres · 15/08/2020 22:49

Hello Person, I'm a dipper too, over the years.

Currently about to lie down in a darkened room with the vapours.Grin Although now you mention drink, I recall a bottle of Stone's ginger wine at the back of the cupboard......

Thelnebriati · 15/08/2020 22:50

Heads up everyone! Dont let Wee Richard Hammond lead you up the garden path, or anywhere less salubrious.

FloresTorres · 15/08/2020 23:04

Noted.

AlbusSirius · 15/08/2020 23:06

The awful thing about that thread, Judas, is that I'm not sure which is worse - (a) it's true (quite possible and infuriating) or (b) it's a made up load of bollocks, posted to get screenshots and banning.

Either way, PersonWithFeelings has a point - I should go to bed, not finish the wine.

PersonWithFeelings · 15/08/2020 23:07

@FloresTorres

Hello Person, I'm a dipper too, over the years. Currently about to lie down in a darkened room with the vapours.Grin Although now you mention drink, I recall a bottle of Stone's ginger wine at the back of the cupboard......
Thanks thank you for sharing your experiences so eloquently
FloresTorres · 15/08/2020 23:14

Feeling a bit of an eejit at the mo Person but thanks, that means a lot.
Found your own contributions a great support. Makes a difference. It really does.

ContentiousOne · 15/08/2020 23:33

I need a reality check. Has FWR become more hostile, with anti-feminism tolerated as 'being in the spirit' or am I just over-sensitive?

I feel like it's hostile.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 15/08/2020 23:50

There are some weird threads

With some weird posts, replying to comments no one has made

Thelnebriati · 16/08/2020 00:16

I dont think you're being over sensitive.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 16/08/2020 00:22

Albus urgh, I did finish the wine! Which is why I’m only back here at quarter past midnight 😉. But yes, it’s all so stressful and confusing. Sometimes I might see a thread before too many responses but get a baaaaad feeling and want to warn those who have already posted, in good faith, to not bother. But how to do that without invoking Bunbury outright to those who don’t know, without alerting the disrupters? Urgh, back on the vino it is then.......

FloresTorres · 16/08/2020 00:23

Definitely not over sensitive.
There are some odd fuckers about.
Definitely odder than me. And I'm seriously odd.

ContentiousOne · 16/08/2020 00:23

Any suggestions for unapologetically feminist online spaces? That aren't Spinster?

FloresTorres · 16/08/2020 00:44

Start one, and I'll join up for sure Contentious Star

nachthexe · 16/08/2020 00:54

The thing about the bat photo is that it’s best deployed by stealth. The idea being that you coerce someone to click something and - ta daaaa - the bat. Pre-dated the actual pic thing obv which was shockingly recent. I still laugh out loud if I click on something and get the bat.
Am mildly disconcerted that the MH thread is under target. Heaven forbid that the EA should be upheld. I guess that’ll be another strike for mentioning a male body, even with no names, no pack drill.
Urgh.

Pickette · 16/08/2020 01:03

@ContentiousOne

Any suggestions for unapologetically feminist online spaces? That aren't Spinster?
Ovarit is a brand new unapologetic feminist forum. Unfortunately because they're so new, they're still tweaking and finalizing the details so it's currently invitation only for new users. This is so they can ensure a female-only space, but viewing is open to everyone.
ContentiousOne · 16/08/2020 03:15

Thanks. I guess viewing a feminist forum there is better than being able to participate with people who appear to have contempt for women here.

TedsFederationRep · 16/08/2020 08:29

Any suggestions for unapologetically feminist online spaces?

On the forum that must not be named, the one where mums chat, posters don't have to perform linguistic acrobatics in order to convey facts or the truth.

highame · 16/08/2020 09:28

Don't leave. You don't know how important everyone is on here. I found this space earlier this year. I had been looking for somewhere safe since last October on this topic (that was when I filled in the Women and Equalities survey). I have noticed a change, even since the short time I've been here, but I'm learning how to deal. The seasoned poster is so important. Women are coming over here who are not ardent feminists but want to know others have GC views like them. They wouldn't go anywhere else and they are vital.

Important to put the view.

PersonWithFeelings · 16/08/2020 09:37

@FloresTorres

Feeling a bit of an eejit at the mo Person but thanks, that means a lot. Found your own contributions a great support. Makes a difference. It really does.
Thank youThanks
AlbusSirius · 16/08/2020 11:38

I've just had a post deleted on the hypothetical thread, I have no idea why Confused, and received no email, so does that mean I've had a strike?

I can't follow the rules any more.

FloresTorres · 16/08/2020 13:19

Albus really? Someone's really rattled about that thread. A fair few ploppers now trying to derail it all. Look after yourself .
Women's psychiatric care is a huge scandal. No one listens to mad women though irl. It's good to see it aired on FWR.

When I had a strike I had an email. I've had nothing about the deleted thread. Strange stuff going on rules wise I agree.

SocialMedea · 16/08/2020 14:00

I agree with highame at 9.28

People who want to actually hear the other point of view won't go looking for obscure websites whereas this place is well known. That's how I came to be here. I just felt something was wrong with this gender stuff and I've had my suspicions confirmed. And have been made to feel welcome. Im probably staying too.

DianasLasso · 16/08/2020 14:28

Someone's really rattled about that thread. A fair few ploppers now trying to derail it all.

It's like whack-a-mole. Posters with next-to-no posting history popping up to say how they wouldn't mind, they can't see what the problem is.

It's so fucking offensive after a thread in which women have given first person testimonies as to why, when you're suffering from complex PTSD brought on by sexual abuse, any male body is triggering, regardless of whether it's attached to a nice man, a nasty man, or a man who's trying to gaslight you.

FloresTorres · 16/08/2020 14:59

I reported the "playing the victim" plopper. I was cross but polite.
The reply to my report, professional, yet warmed my heart.
"Playing the victim" now deleted.

Thelnebriati · 16/08/2020 15:03

I wish they'd put the reason for the deletion in the deletion message.