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Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 5

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ItsLateHumpty · 20/06/2020 15:04

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember our monitors would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691023-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-4

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches Gin

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OldCrone · 24/07/2020 09:44

Do you get an official strike these days, or do they still unceremoniously kick you out when they get pissed off by receiving too many reports about you?

I had my first ever strike yesterday for a post I made over 6 weeks ago.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 09:47

I had my first ever strike yesterday for a post I made over 6 weeks ago

Now THAT is fucking disgusting

Deletion maybe

Strike ...when its bloody obvious that someone has spent those 6 weeks trawling for posts to report....is just dreadful

Fucking ludicrous

Oh god and those that report weeks later...well luckily Words fail me

(They dont...)

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 09:53

oldcrone

Dod MNHQ explain why the delay?

Did they say ‘someone has been trawling through weeks worth of posts trying to find something reportable and now they’ve managed it’

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 09:53

Did not dod 😀

bishopgiggles · 24/07/2020 10:00

So does the timer on the "strike" start from now or from when it was posted?

I had a slightly worrying exchange with mnhq when I asked about a post deletion and they said something asking the lines of "because we've had to speak to you before about this topic" when I'd never had a single email about any deleted post before.
I asked them to check and they did eventually say they'd been mistaken but it's worth knowing that they can get their wires crossed sometimes...

OldCrone · 24/07/2020 10:02

Rufus
They didn't mention why there had been a delay. It was on a thread which had had nothing posted on it for weeks, but was then revived a few days ago, so someone might have just seen it because of the more recent posts, rather than trawling through old threads.

I did ask MN if I could get further strikes for other old posts if they get reported, and they said they would only issue further strikes for posts which I've made since they sent me the first strike warning yesterday.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 10:04

they can get their wires crossed sometimes

Thats not getting their wires crossed....

It would be good if the strike was 6 weeks cos that would mean it was up now

But what the actual hell would be the point if that!

You could easily get to the three strikes and banned without a heads up and without knowing what you’d done wrong...so horrendously unfair

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 10:07

It was on a thread which had had nothing posted on it for weeks, but was then revived a few days ago, so someone might have just seen it because of the more recent posts, rather than trawling through old threads

I don’t think this matters to be honest, as i said a deletion 6 WEEKS later is fair enough but not a strike 💐

Rules change on fwr on an hourly basis (thats what it feels like) so 6 weeks ago whatever you said might have been ok...unless of course you had a tone

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 10:08

I’m going to get dressed...and maybe open some curtains

OldCrone · 24/07/2020 10:09

So does the timer on the "strike" start from now or from when it was posted?

I asked MNHQ this:
"Is the six-week period counted from the date of the post or the date of the strike?"

This is the reply I got from MNHQ:

"The date would run from the date we mailed you - so, today. Posts you made prior to today would not be counted as a strike if they're reported to us and are deleted for breaking guidelines."

So apparently you can get your first strike for a post made at any time in the past, but further strikes will only be applied to new posts made after they tell you about the first strike.

madwoman1ntheattic · 25/07/2020 16:46

I got a strike this week as well, so someone has been rattling cages again. I emailed and asked which bit wasn’t appropriate as it was part of the discussion around MB’s ‘woman’ book. 🤷‍♀️ I think Shon is one of our monitors. 😂

DianasLasso · 25/07/2020 16:48

Ah, good the thread's already been bumped... Just popping on to say "beware threads which may have been started for screen grabs/ by an agent provocateur wanting to stir trouble." And if in doubt, advance-search the OP. The results can often be quite eye-opening (and not in a good way).

wellbehavedwomen · 25/07/2020 17:21

Well, quite.

Advanced Search is a really useful thing.

Deliriumoftheendless · 25/07/2020 20:44

Sorry- not really relevant to this thread but I don’t want to interject on the one it’s on but what does “cutted up pear” mean?

EndoplasmicReticulum · 25/07/2020 20:49

In this case it just means a pear which has been cutted up.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/1301196-If-my-3yo-had-access-to-AIBU

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/07/2020 20:49

A wonderful thread years ago in which a MNetter asked her toddler daughter, who was holding forth with passion about wanting a pear right now, did she want her pear whole or cut up. And the toddler said "cutted up". So the MNetter duly presented the toddler with the cutted up pear and the toddler went berserk with rage that the pear had been so cutted up as commanded. Twas extremely funny.

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/07/2020 20:50

Crosspost with Endo , sorry.

Deliriumoftheendless · 25/07/2020 20:54

Thank you, I don’t really look at AIBU so I was totally confused 😂.

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/07/2020 21:02

Also to mention, I've had a deletion and strike today on a historical thread, so someone is obviously trawling. I have no idea why the post breached guidelines or was worth a strike, I have asked. It was truthful and made no generalisations.

wellbehavedwomen · 25/07/2020 21:13

@Michelleoftheresistance how do you know, if you have something deleted? I genuinely don't have a clue if I have or not. Do they email you?

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 25/07/2020 21:13

What sort of a boring pointless life must someone have to trawl through old mumsnet threads

Seriously 😳

I get bored on some existing long mumsnet threads!

I would suggest some other things to do but last time i suggested that a poster got quite ‘testerical’ i think is the phrase and totally threw their toys out of the pram...so I won’t

madwoman1ntheattic · 25/07/2020 21:17

They emailed me this time. Have had other deletions and not received emails, so I assume they only email if they are counting it as a ‘strike’. It is a very odd way to spend a weekend though Grin

BluebonicPlague · 25/07/2020 21:28

Do you get notified if you have a strike? I had a post deleted for breaching guidelines when someone posted a daft, apparently goady, question on FWR about whether they had to have long hair and I gave them a biscuit. I'd never have known if I hadn't been back on the thread. Ages ago, and still a bit gobsmacked tbh. I moaned about it on Bunbury at the time. But a deletion isn't the same as a strke, is it, which I assume is more by way of official warning. What do they tell you, exactly, or is it just vague 'breach of the guidelines'? I am coming sooo close to saying something more than customarily sarcastic about this monitoring and #benice censorship.

And does MN keep track of name changes? I suppose they must do.

wellbehavedwomen · 25/07/2020 21:28

Ah, okay, thank you. So for all I know, I leave a trail of deletions in my wake. Grin

Does seem odd, bothering to get old stuff deleted Why spend time reading old threads, when they're only going to piss you off?

wellbehavedwomen · 25/07/2020 21:30

How is giving someone a biscuit deletable?! That would mean loads of AIBUs were Swiss cheese, surely. Did you give it especially scathingly - suggest they deserved only a Garibaldi, or something?

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