Blaire White defends J K Rowling

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It's not the first time Blaire has supported JKR.

Yep. That I can get my head around. I agree with jellyslice, ROwantrees and Maya.

It's really not that difficult to understand.

I like Blaire too. There are a number of things we'd disagree about (guns, Trump, feminism) but you know what? Still someone I'd happily sit down and have a few drinks with. Partially because we could disagree without it being the end of the world, and no amount of disagreement would result in either of us sending the other death threats.

Most TRAs already hate Blaire so this won't make any difference there. You almost couldn't come up with a person more perfectly designed to drive them up the wall, and the fact that Blaire is right and they are wrong and most of the public (even those of us who think Blaire is wrong about guns, Trump, etc) agree drives them absolutely crazy.

Given that this is basically who women who were initially trans supportive thought that we were allowing into our spaces the fact that the TRAs loathe Blaire with the fire of a thousand suns certainly is illuminating. Bait and switch - they always hate the people who remind them and everyone else that they're lying about who they are.

Also, we make rules/laws with the expectation that a small minority of people will break them & get away with it.

We don't usually defend those people though nor place value on their ability to do so.

And yes, I really really hate the fact that people are pressured into exposing their personal vulnerabilities and horror stories in order to be considered worthy of having a take on a given situation. Nobody should have to out themselves as a victim of rape or child abuse or domestic violence in order to be worried about those things happening. It's also notable that it's generally not manly men being expected to make themselves vulnerable in that way in order to justify their perspective.

We don't usually defend those people though nor place value on their ability to do so.

No indeed. But nor do we use them as a reason not to have rules, which is part of the TRA argument, isn't it 'oh you don't even know trans people are using your spaces, stop fussing about it!'

We acknowledge the inevitability of a few CFers, as we do with all other rules.

It's not a bad video, but BW is considered a sort of trans-traitor by many.

As far as White's toilet practices, my impression has always been it's a practical rather than theoretical position. And that if it became socially expected for transwomen to use the male facilities, or third spaces, that's what BW would do - it doesn't seem to be an ego thing, more about just causing the least fuss.

Blaire is a conservatice which is why she does not buy into the trans cult ideology. It is very discouraging to see that it seems the self-proclaimed 'progressives' are incapable of rational thought like this. Irony is, even though I probably share less political views with her overall than any random gender cultist, I'd much rather be friends with her.

I am curious, what is the consensus here, would you have a problem or not with Blair in women's bathrooms? And using female pronouns? The thing is Blair on the surface looks female and she does not violently push people into submitting to her, hence why I actually have no problems using she in this case.

Who is to be the arbiter of 'looks feminine enough'?

Passing just means they can get away with it. In the same way a fraudster might. There are people who pretend they are qualified doctors and 'get away with it' for some time - should we say a medical degree is not necessary as long as the person can wing it effectively?

On a personal level I don't really care about people like Blaire using women's bathrooms. However, other women do care, and I've yet to see any suggestion as to how a law could be written to let in friendly, non aggressive, feminine looking gay males who identify as trans and keep out fetishy heterosexual males or those gay males who hate women, so I've gradually come to the conclusion that law and common practice probably needs to be "no males over the age of about 8".

With changing rooms I'd say a firm no to anyone male. In theory I don't think "use the space where you'll cause least alarm to others" is a bad idea, but the problems are that a. many trans people are utterly delusional about how they look and the extent to which they 'pass", b. there are also those who enjoy causing others alarm and who will go out of their way to do so to make a political point, and that group will take full advantage of any wiggle room intended for people like Blaire, and c. a "this is OK for some males but not for others" system is too hard to write into law or enforce and again will inevitably be taken advantage of.

It's a bit of a mess at this point, and that's because cheeky fuckers pushed the boundaries long past breaking point, not because women weren't kind enough.

As far as White's toilet practices, my impression has always been it's a practical rather than theoretical position. And that if it became socially expected for transwomen to use the male facilities, or third spaces, that's what BW would do - it doesn't seem to be an ego thing, more about just causing the least fuss.

It's always worth questioning how impressions are constructed.
Many people refer to Blair White's video as proof that White risks being thrown out of bars for using the male toilets based on appearance.

If the video is watched it seems much more likely this was due to White filming men using the gents' loo and asking them intrusive questions.

When Fionne Orlander used the gents loo and was told by another male patron 'this is the men's', Orlander responded along the lines of, "I know, I am!" without issue.

When complimented for not using women's loos (and wearing a lovely dress) Fionne Orlander responded,

"While I truly do appreciate the kind comments & solidarity, it should not be considered an act of bravery for a male not to use spaces meant for females, the fact this is even response worthy says something.
It's a selfie in a toilet."

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