Blaire White defends J K Rowling

[DidoLamenting]

It's not the first time Blaire has supported JKR.

I like the sound of Blaire but I think my acid test would be ‘avoids female facilities for the sake of the females’.

Whilst that's fair enough Dodo, I think Blair does use female facilities because Blair passes as female, looks very out of place in a mens room and yannow, doesn't perv on women. Personally, i'm fine with that.

Blaire said on YouTube she does not use the communal showers at her gym because she did not want to upset women. Re toilets, I think she uses the women's. She has spoken about using the men's and being asked to leave.

Blair passes as female, looks very out of place in a mens room and yannow, doesn't perv on women. Personally, i'm fine

I think this is precisely why we need third mixed sex spaces. Because I actually agree with what you've said above, but I feel a total hypocrite because surely we can't make these decisions on how well people pass?

Especially as the version which tricks my brain into going "female" is the highly sexualised version of woman that Blaire does. That's the version of woman that makes me, a real woman, feel I must really be male as I have nothing in common with Blaire at all. I have more in common with an average bloke.

The average man who presents as a woman doesn't pass at all.

Blaire did a whole video on toilets in which she went and used the correct toilet for her sex. She ended up being thrown out of the restaurant for it. Her stance is that people should use the facilities they pass into, and that there should be third spaces for people that doesn't suit. Shes quite open about still having a penis so doesn't use any space where she'd be naked around women so that she doesn't upset them. I still think there's a lot of problems with this approach, namely that someone like Karen White wouldn't magically have been less dangerous if he'd passed better. As someone said to Blaire in her comments once "the only difference between you and a non passing TW is money". And by whose standards is "passing" decides? Lots of TW who don't pass at all seem to think that they do. In fact, the more unhinged and misogynistic they are, the more ferverently they seem to think they pass. Women should be allowed to use our spaces without having to scrutinise the other people around us to see if they're really women. But at the same time it does seem ridiculous to send someone like Blaire to the men's, or Buck to the ladies. I think Blaire's solution of "everyone be honest about how well they pass and use the facilities that will cause other people the least distress" is naive because its very clear that a lot of transpeople simply don't give a shit about the wellbeing of others. But I don't think it's as simple as "everyone in the toilet for their sex" either unfortunately.

What's with all this hero-worship? Blaire has completely ignored the fact that many of JKR's attackers do consider themselves trans. Narcissistic AGP men are the ones doing the most harm to Blaire and other trans people trying to live their best lives. But according to the trans ideology, Blaire should be accepting them without exception. Rail against them, not against the people they have gaslighted! Rail against trans organisations like Stonewall, who have manipulated people's goodwill and open-mindedness to headlight them into harming your cause instead of supporting you.

As well as people not being trans enough for Blaire, they appear to have transed a man who is not trans. Granted, this may be a genuine error on Blaire's part, but I'm fairly sure that Marilyn does not consider himself trans, though he is supportive of trans issues.

People like Blaire annoy me. Of course Blaire had to recognise that science is real and biology matters - otherwise they would not have been able to get all that surgery. But the fact that they've modified their body so much that they make people uncomfortable, is still not my problem to solve. In this respect Blaire White is no different to Dennis Avner.

With the 'which facilities does a trans person use' I think the only reasonable solution is: spaces for women, spaces for men, & additional unisex spaces.

Individual businesses should be allowed within reason to decide the ratio (ie a bar for early 20 wokesters might have a clear majority of unisex provision because that's what the majority of their customers prefer, a leisure centre might have a variety of changing spaces to accommodate sex segregation but also families, people needing accessible wheelchair space etc, perhaps a quaint little tea shoppe might just have room for two loos so allowed to have 'women's' & 'unisex').

Everyone gets to pee/change/whatever. There is always single sex provision for women, & generally also for men but they can be expected to put up with unisex at a pinch, & trans people have a unisex option so they don't have to worry about 'passing' as they are in the appropriate space whatever others think of their appearance.

I really liked her line about the world being divided into those who can have a nuanced conversation about issues and those who can’t.

I do think the trans allies are really not doing either women or trans men/ trans women any favours at the moment. I keep coming back to the thought that surely the mantra TWAW is what ‘literally erases their existence’ because it denies their entire experience of gender dysphoria.

I don't see any hero worship fgs

In a toilet if someone really passes and is behaving normally then no one would even know. It's a bit of a non issue, in real life. I understand the theoretical argument.

The problem we have now is if there's an obvious male in there just standing and staring at women there's now not much we can do about it. Staring is not a crime, and women/ girls are told to accept that anyone in there is in the right place and to challenge them is an act of transphobic hate.

.. In a toilet if someone really passes.

That's a big "if" - one of the biggest I've seen for some time.

Yes it's a huge if. However if they do, it's a non issue.

Even Blaire might not pass in real life. I've only seen those videos, mind, not seen Blaire's gait.

I mean for real life situations in toilets.

From a logical point of view, male is male. And of course for prisons etc. 3rd way is the only way probs. I have no doubt that many other men are at risk in prisons. Why are the activists not fighting to reduce violence in male prisons?

Yes, but if only one in a hundred pass (say) then you cannot describe that as - .. a bit of a non issue, in real life..

Perhaps I've misunderstood you!

We're talking about Blaire white here aren't we? Who according to PPs does.

I can't be bothered to argue this TBH.

Blaire did a whole video on toilets in which she went and used the correct toilet for her sex. She ended up being thrown out of the restaurant for it.

After filming the men & asking questions of the other men using the gents loo.

That's the version of woman that makes me, a real woman, feel I must really be male as I have nothing in common with Blaire at all. I have more in common with an average bloke

If you don't like Blaire White that's fine and say so but this cod justification is just embarrassing.

What's an "average bloke" for starters?

Do unquestionably beautiful xx women make you feel the same? Or the over glamourised Kardashians? How much do you have in common with them.

If you seriously and genuinely think looking at Blaire White makes you think you are a man that's your problem, not hers.

By your reasoning I suppose my reading the puberty misery thread and not identifying any of it as my experience means I must be a man. I have nothing in common with what is on that thread.

Why is it a non-issue if a male can pass as a woman? They are still male. BW might be perfectly nice and trustworthy, I don't know them. But looking woman-like is not a guarantee that a man will not assault a woman.

However if they do, it's a non issue. My consent is not yours to give.

That was a great video. Well done, Blaire. She's absolutely right - 9 times out of 10 the biology deniers are so called 'trans-allies', who let's face it may as well be trans opponents for all the good they do.

Why is it a non-issue if a male can pass as a woman? They are still male. BW might be perfectly nice and trustworthy, I don't know them. But looking woman-like is not a guarantee that a man will not assault a woman.

As well as protecting girls and women's safety, female spaces are also for their dignity and privacy.

Maya Forstater's article makes clear that this is an issue of women and girls' consent. A core principle of consent is, of course, that it should be informed consent.

(extract)
"Why has this become so difficult?
The rules and expectations about single sex services have become confused.

Some people think they are based on ‘gender identity’

Some think they are based on ‘gender expression’
(clothing and appearance)

Some think there are no rules at all

There is no right to share intimate spaces with members of the opposite sex without their consent

Where a service is provided for a single sex, whether for everyday privacy or a situation such as a rape crisis centre or a women’s refuge, there should be no need to negotiate with each individual member of the opposite sex about why it is not open to them."

a-question-of-consent.net/

*There is no right to share intimate spaces with members of the opposite sex without their consent

Where a service is provided for a single sex, whether for everyday privacy or a situation such as a rape crisis centre or a women’s refuge, there should be no need to negotiate with each individual member of the opposite sex about why it is not open to them.*

This.

There was a video posted on another thread about Blaire, where Blaire and a transman were being pretty vile about women and calling them t**fs . I generally enjoy Blaire's content, but am cautious about whether they are genuinely an ally of women, or just a right winger using this as a stick to beat the left.

Also, we make rules/laws with the expectation that a small minority of people will break them & get away with it.

So yeah, you could make it a rule that a toilet was 'strictly women only' & once in a blue moon the frankly pretty much mythical occasional passing TW still nips in.

That's not a reason not to have the rule, much like the existence of a few awkward refuseniks in a lockdown doesn't mean the lockdown has no effect on reducing transmission of a virus. Or a few people who cannot have vaccinations do not render herd immunity pointless. Or drink driving & seat belt laws - not pointless just because a few stupid buggers ignore them.

By excluding males from female facilities you a) reduce the fundamental risk and b) shift the window of social approval away from that behaviour.