Asda partners with Diversity Role Models and gets angry response to "love has no age limit" message [Edited by MNHQ at OP'S REQUEST]

[stumbledin]

"Asda teamed up with partner charity Diversity Role Models to create a home learning pack for primary school children for ages three to 11, which was sent out to Asda customers and includes the controversial phrase in a section on challenging racism.

In an email sent out on Sunday afternoon from the store's clothing department George, it said: "We've partnered with Diversity Role Models because we believe in a world where everyone embraces diversity and can thrive.

"By teaching empathy, understanding and how to be a good ally to the LGBT+ community, we hope to eliminate homophobic, biphobic and transphobic bullying and language from the classroom for good."

But a section on the primary school pack has drawn fierce criticism online from concerned parents who claim promoting discussion of "love has no age limit" may be advocating underage sex."

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/asda-sparks-furious-paedo-backlash-22201608

A letter to Asda regarding their ‘home learning’ packs - Safe Schools Alliance safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/06/18/a-letter-to-asda-regarding-their-home-learning-packs/

[Dicotyledon]

Oh give over spotted, stop minimising

[Roseburn]

@FlippinFumin

Am I just reading right wing propaganda here? My son says I am. Please break this down for me. Every link I show him he says is perfectly innocent. Where exactly is the ‘love has no age limit’ quote? And the book with the story about the 6 year old. He is making me feel stupid and I struggle to be coherent when he is shouting me down and calling me a bigot. He says I am saying being gay is akin to paedophilia. FFS I campaigned against section 28. I have never been a bigot.

I’ve had many discussions with my eldest son about changes to GRA and the Gc position. He couldn’t understand my viewpoint at all and in the end we had to agree to disagree and I felt really sad my clever, funny darling boy couldn’t.t see it. hes 23.

Then this morning he said, mum I agree with you now. He,s been watching Posey Parker videos, Well we had a hug in the kitchen and I must admit I had a wee tear in my eye, I Knew he was a good un really.

So don’t despair. It happens . It takes a bit of time. But they get there.

[BadgertheBodger]

Taking you at face value Spotted
Nobody has recommended child sex abuse explicitly, no. But don’t you think it’s at the very bare minimum disturbing that a mammoth company such as Asda is willing to recommend reading materials which do not explicitly deal with how much of a safeguarding/child protection issue it is that a 6 year old child was performing oral sex on other children? I’m absolutely gobsmacked you can find anything defensible in this. It is all just completely wrong and horrifying, because the people involved in this true story are children.

[Datun]

I don't think anyone here is responsible for whether Baroness Nicholson has made an error, spotted.

I'm sure she will correct it.

'A 'mature and adult' six year old giving blow jobs to children, girls, and hanging around adult men and paedophiles who were 'hitting on him'. And he makes it all sound quite edgy and as though he is in complete control.

ASDA is promoting this book for kids ffs.

Stopping short of saying he is actually being abused by an adult is probably a smart move.

I remember Peter Tatchell talking about how nine year olds can enjoy having sex with adult men.

And the NSPCC telling youngsters that if they are uncomfortable with child sex abuse, it might be wrong.

So that's people who want to give homework to children, a man who wants to give masturbation lessons to children, and the NSPCC who advise everyone about child sex abuse.

All out in the open.

[StrangeTimes]

Ah @roseburn I can live in hope about the "woke" son, although DIL is def with us!! So maybe we can get through to him eventually!

[BitOfFun]

@spottedelk- it says "other guys in my neighbourhood". That doesn't suggest children/peer group to me.

[BitOfFun]

Roseburn- I'm glad your son has seen through it!

[NotBadConsidering]

So that's people who want to give homework to children, a man who wants to give masturbation lessons to children, and the NSPCC who advise everyone about child sex abuse.

Don’t forget the NSPCC calling people who think it’s inappropriate for a man to wank and piss himself in a rubber suit in the toilets of the NSPCC offices “homophobic”, then quietly dealing with it behind the scenes.

[SocialConnection]

In a child safeguarding workshop I attended, given by police officer & social worker, we were told that overly sexual behaviour and awareness in young children must always be taken as a red flag - a sign the child is a likely abuse victim. This includes behaviour towards children and adults alike. It's irrelevant whether the book tells of encounters between children, or children & adults.

[Goosefoot]

I took the book to indicate the oral sex was with other kids. It's worth not saying adult if that's factually incorrect as any little error like that will be pointed at to say that it's a mischaracterisation or the person hasn't really even looked at the text.

[BitOfFun]

"Guys in the neighbourhood" though? That doesn't sound like children to me.

[NotBadConsidering]

There is no age specified in that passage, just “guys” and “we were really young”. There is abuse, blurred lines about ages, and now we have people arguing about the semantics of it. There are so many red flags waving it’s like a crash at the British Grand Prix.

[skql]

spotted

it's ok to kids love to oral with other kids
it's ok to kids love to oral with adults.
why not?

[skql]

and age six, kids do happy sexual life,
do some fun kinky thing, why not marry that age?

hmmmm...

[TheCuriousMonkey]

I have a six year old. It wouldn't occur to him that "guys" (of any age, but seriously who calls other children 'guys') in our neighborhood should or would put their penises in his mouth. If it did, I would be straight onto social services as I would be pretty damn sure he'd been sexually abused.

A certain amount of childhood curiosity about bodies is normal for six year olds. "Giving guys oral" is not that.

[TheProdigalKittensReturn]

So let me get this clear, we now have a (new, never seen them before) poster who thinks that ASDA promoting a book that talks about 6 year olds giving oral sex is fine as long as it specifies that the recipients are also children?

As ever I'm struck by how little gender supporting people understand about patterns of abuse. If it even occurs to a six year old to do that then they've probably been abused themselves already. Any teacher would spot that as a red flag immediately, as would anyone who's had any sort of training on working with kids. So how did it get past whoever at ASDA approved this?

[Ninkanink]

Yes quite.

It’s almost as if these people either a) don’t understand the basic principles of safeguarding or b) don’t care about safeguarding at all or c) actively want to circumvent safeguarding.

[andyoldlabour]

I find it difficult to understand, how any right thinking person could ever downplay or try to excuse this. No organisation such as this should ever be involved with children.

[justanotherneighinparadise]

Oh if the anonymous poster @spottedelk says it’s fine then what the hell are we all moaning about? I’m off to spend my Saturday doing some anal and a light amount of docking. You’re all so very pedestrian.

[VickyEadieofThigh]

Oral sex between children is a clear indicator of significant child protection concerns.

Sexually active six year olds are a significant child protection concern.

The normalization of child sex is a significant child protection concern.

Pretty much all adults are aware of this on some level.

This. ALL of this.

Speaking as a person professionally highly trained in safeguarding and with massive experience in it - this book is SHOCKING.

Any adult trying to mininise this issue on the grounds that 'as long as adults aren't involved it's not that bad' - RED FLAG.

[spottedelk]

I have never said or indicated in any way that oral sex between children is fine. I think that it is the opposite of fine - it's extremely concerning. I agree that it suggests that there may be child abuse in the background (to which child originally, we don't know).
All I have said is that some people (including the baroness) are accusing the supermarket of using training materials which describe children performing oral sex on adults. Whereas in fact what has happened is that the supermarket has used training materials which recommend a book which on one page talks about a child performing oral sex on other children, with the writer specifically saying that they did not perform sexual acts with adults because they thought it was wrong.
If you react this way towards someone who shares your views on sex/gender and is simply pointing out that a factual mistake has been made, I suggest that you take a look at yourselves. We can't afford to lose the moral high ground in this argument.

[Kokeshi123]

www.ala.org/awardsgrants/beyond-magenta-transgender-teens-speak-out

The Beyond Magenta book got a "Honor" award from Stonewall in 2015.

Of course it did.

[lockdownbreakdown]

I think beyond Magenta has actually been banned in the USA . Why its been recommended by Diveristy Role Models is beyond me and utterly terrifying.

[Datun]

We can't afford to lose the moral high ground in this argument.

We're not losing the moral high ground.

If a mistake has been made, we still won't be losing the moral high ground.

The moral high ground is that this book is shocking and should not be promoted to children.

Adult blowjobs, or not adult blow jobs. No one will be able to sustain an argument that it's not shocking, because it's about children and not adults, and someone confused the two.

[Binterested]

Kind of hope Roger doesn’t go with that defence to the Baroness. It’s all atrocious and he needs to acknowledge that.