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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

WRITE TO YOUR MP

285 replies

GeneticTest · 16/06/2020 11:21

I work for an MP.

We’ve had very few emails about GRA in the last few years- mostly against self ID.

We’ve had 4 emails in the last few days all outraged at this attack on transgender people.
All very similar. It’s a campaign.

We must keep emailing so MPs don’t think everyone agrees with the TRAs.

(My MP is GC)

Please- email your MP and let them know your views.

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marplemead · 14/07/2020 17:59

I've written to my MP again asking her to respond to the specific points I raised in my email. Frustratingly, her reply argued that a lack of incidents involving transwomen in women-only spaces meant that they shouldn't be excluded, even though I had listed some examples of such incidents in my initial email.

highame · 17/07/2020 09:26

I had forgotten to write to everyone. Had done some but now I include Liz Truss, Kier Starmer & Boris Johnson.

I have indirectly accused Kier Starmer of cowardice.

This has come about because I was particularly upset this morning after reading some of the posts. I know lots of you have had days likke this - didn't want to feel left out.

I wonder how those of you who have seen this from the beginning, have had the strength.

Angryresister · 17/07/2020 09:39

I sent the Spanish statement by the PSOE to my mp today. He promised to come back to me after numerous emails last year. Never did.

highame · 17/07/2020 09:42

Assume your MP is Labour. They haven't learned that responding to constituents is good for business, even if you don't support what they say.

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 17/07/2020 10:04

Sent an email to my MP just now. Thanks for the inspiration everyone!

BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy · 17/07/2020 10:36

I had an excellent response from my MP yesterday. This is after months of emailing but he has finally got off the fence.

Don’t give up. I was previously getting pretty neutral responses but I drip fed him the issues, bit by bit, sending another email every few weeks. I think it was JK Rowling who clinched it.

The other possibility of course is that more and more MPs are speaking out so it now feels ‘safer’ to agree with us.

highame · 17/07/2020 10:50

I have sent the Spanish Workers' Party statement in the topics to Marsha Decordova - Shadow Sec for Women and Eq.

I asked 'if they could do it, why couldn't the Labour Party'

highame · 17/07/2020 10:50

This is her e-mail [email protected]

DialSquare · 19/07/2020 11:24

ThinEdgeOfTheWedge

I got the exact same response from
my male Tory MP so we must be neighbours!

ThinEndoftheWedge · 19/07/2020 18:47

DialSquare

PM me to check!

JulesJules · 19/07/2020 18:50

Still haven't heard from my MP and she's normally very good about replying, wrote to her several times about Brexit.

DialSquare · 19/07/2020 18:56

@ThinEndoftheWedge

DialSquare

PM me to check!

Just Sent you a PM
MyNameIsHow · 19/07/2020 19:19

This is my MPs take on the situation. I will write, but it will be rather pointless twitter.com/nadiawhittomemp/status/1283492217651421185?s=21

DialSquare · 19/07/2020 19:44

[quote MyNameIsHow]This is my MPs take on the situation. I will write, but it will be rather pointless twitter.com/nadiawhittomemp/status/1283492217651421185?s=21[/quote]
That’s so frustrating. But I agree it’s still worth writing so she is aware that some of her constituents have opposing opinions. I like some of the responses to her tweet!

transdimensional · 19/07/2020 19:55

I had forgotten to write to everyone. Had done some but now I include Liz Truss, Kier Starmer & Boris Johnson.

It's Keir with e before i. Sorry to be a pedant but it's better to get it right (if not here then hopefully in letters to him - I'm sure it will make a better impression that way).

DialSquare · 20/07/2020 09:09

ThinEndoftheWedge and I have established that the message we received has come from different MPs. I think this is a good sign. They must be discussing it amongst themselves and seem to be agreeing with us.

DialSquare · 20/07/2020 09:17

This is the email I received. Apart from a few differences it's almost word for word.

Thank you for contacting me about the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

I know that colleagues in the Government Equalities Office have been doing a lot of work on this recently to form their response to the consultation. Understandably, the coronavirus outbreak has complicated things somewhat, but I have received reassurances from the Department that they plan to publish their response in the Summer.

I am absolutely committed to protecting women’s rights and freedoms. I completely understand that reforming the Gender Recognition Act is a complex and sensitive issue, which is why it is important for everyone’s views to be heard and listened to. I am especially glad that the Minister for Women and Equalities, the Rt Hon Liz Truss MP, has recently said that any reforms will ensure the protection of single-sex spaces, which I recognise is extremely important.

I know that many people also have concerns about the impact of this legislation on children. I have raised this with colleagues in the Government and Equalities Office who have assured me of their commitment to ensuring under 18s are protected from making decisions that are irreversible in the future. I believe strongly that adults should have the freedom to live their life but I do think it is very important we protect young adults, who are still developing their decision making processes and capabilities, from taking action which they potentially cannot reverse.

This is a complex area to reform and I want to ensure that the Government gets the balance right. Thank you again for taking the time to contact me.

wellbehavedwomen · 20/07/2020 10:16

Mine is also Tory, and along similar lines. Though a bit better, IMO. I was pleased that he clearly frames it as about conflict of rights.

Thank you for your thoughtful email regarding the Gender Recognition Act and women's rights. I have read it with care, and agree with a great deal of what you write.

On the issue of Gender Recognition Act reform, I know that colleagues in the Government Equalities Office have been doing a lot of work on this recently to formulate their response to the consultation. Understandably, the Coronavirus outbreak has complicated things somewhat, but I have received reassurances from the department that they plan to publish their response this summer.

Women's rights is an issue I have campaigned on in Parliament for many years, and I am proud of the Domestic Abuse Bill. Although domestic abuse can affect men too, it is overwhelmingly women who fall victim.

I am committed to protecting women’s rights and freedoms. I am particularly glad that the Minister for Women and Equalities has recently said that any reforms will ensure the protection of single-sex spaces.

I also want to touch on the subject of abuse that you have mentioned. I do not think anyone should face abuse at any time, and I am aware that JK Rowling has received dreadful threats. These are not acceptable in any circumstances. In any event, I don't see that she has said anything on the issue of LGBT rights deserving of such vitriol.

If you would like to meet to discuss this important issue, please do not hesitate to contact me and my office will make the necessary arrangements.

DialSquare · 20/07/2020 10:26

That's a great response. I agree that it's even better than mine. He is clearly pinning his colours to the mast.

Wolfgirrl · 20/07/2020 10:32

@wellbehavedwomen that's a really good response. Especially compared to mine:

Thanks for getting in touch with me recently regarding the Government’s proposals to scrap Gender Recognition Act (GRA) reform, and to introduce safeguards for single-sex spaces. Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to you - as you can imagine, the office is very busy at the moment.

I know this is an emotive and contentious issue, and I understand the concerns you raise.

However, I am in favour of GRA reform, and in light of the Government’s recent actions, the Labour Party has re-committed itself to updating the GRA and upholding the Equality Act, too. This will be done in a practical and respectful way. My view is that the current process to get legal recognition of gender identity is overly medicalised and takes too long. I support moves towards a system of self-ID as I think this is fairer, and less traumatic fortranspeople. While I do understand concerns about how abusive men may exploit this process, I think there are many means for abusive men to access vulnerable women and children, and I don’t think thattranspeople should be denied rights because a minority of people will seek to exploit a new process.

I also support self-ID in general because I think people should be able to define in a way that respects their gender identity and status. As you'll know,Labour’s All Women’s Shortlists are open to all women, includingtranswomen, andtranswomen can also run for women’s officer posts within the Labour Party. I feel it is important to say that at the time of writing, I have received 61 emails from constituents opposing the Government’s stance, and 6 supporting it. Equally, 70% of responses to the GRA consultation supported moves towards self-ID.

On single-sex spaces, I think people should be able to access facilities that match their gender identity, as they have done for many years. Indeed, under the Equality Act,transpeople have the right to access single-sex services in line with their ‘acquired gender’, and they are not required to obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate, or have undergone any form of medical intervention, to be eligible for support in these services. However, under the Act, it is lawful for single-sex services to provide a different service or refuse their service to someone who is undergoing, has undergone or is proposing to undergo ‘gender reassignment’, in circumstances where they can demonstrate that doing so constitutes a ‘proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim’.

Transpeople, particularlytranswomen (and by extension, particularly blacktranswomen) are especially vulnerable to being victims of violent crime and hate crime, and they, like everyone, must feel safe in bathrooms, changing rooms, and other facilities. Of course, everyone, whethertransor cis, should use such facilities respectfully, and with consideration for other users, but the vast majority of people do so in any case. On refuges, I think the focus should be on ensuring services have the resources they need to meet the needs of cis women andtranswomen. We do of course also need to listen to people’s genuine concerns about safe spaces, particularly those who have been the victim of assault or abuse – but I think these concerns can, and should, be addressed in a sensitive way without discriminating againsttranspeople.

As I’ve already said, this is a nuanced and fraught debate, and one which cannot be adequately discussed and addressed on social media or through the leaking of review recommendations. These discussions must be conducted on the basis of fact and respect, and Labour is committed to listening to women and to LGBT+ communities to ensure our policies protect and respect everyone’s rights.

It’s important to note that as yet, no official proposals have been published, and it’s unclear whether they will even go to a vote. With this in mind, I think it’s important that we wait for Liz Truss to release completed official documents before deciding on a perspective.

Once again, I want you to know that I am listening and that I take on board all perspectives on this issue, even if they differ from my own. Thanks once again for taking the time to contact me.

So basically she acknowledges there will be attacks on women and children but they will be worth it to ensure natal males feel affirmed and validated.

She also acknowledges a woman's rights to raise concerns about the GRA... unless natal males find it offensive.

Couldn't make this crap up could you? Almost finished my rather stinging response.

TedsFederationRep · 20/07/2020 10:41

"While I do understand concerns about how abusive men may exploit this process, I think there are many means for abusive men to access vulnerable women and children, and I don’t think thattranspeople should be denied rights because a minority of people will seek to exploit a new process."

Dear God. Translation: "Women and girls are routinely assaulted and abused in so many ways anyway that one more really doesn't matter in the great scheme of things".

Pure concentrated misogyny, right there.

DialSquare · 20/07/2020 10:42

Wolfgirl

That email is infuriating. I'm politically homeless as a former Labour voter. I'd be sending a stinging response too!

Wolfgirrl · 20/07/2020 10:47

One argument 'for' letting transwomen into our single sex spaces is 'theyve been doing it for years already'. What the actual fuck? It's like me saying trespassing on somebody else's land should be legal as I've done it loads of times and never got caught.

TedsFederationRep · 20/07/2020 11:06

Or burgling someone's house for so long that it doesn't matter if you do it again next week and steal a bit more.

As long as you feel comfortable in their safe space...

wellbehavedwomen · 20/07/2020 12:15

@Wolfgirrl - by that argument you could abandon all forms of safeguarding. Why bother - predatory men will always be able to access women!

I do agree, actually, that trans women are at risk from violent men, angry at what they'll regard as a challenge to gender roles. I just don't see how making women serve as human shields is a fair answer. Third spaces are. I've said this a lot, but we need to double disabled loo provision, and retain one (equipped to full Changing Spaces standards) for disabled people, and make the second unisex and available to anyone. Put in a changing table, and it serves parents with babies, too - great for parents of opposite sex children, and also those who identify as non-binary (where are they supposed to go?) which you would have expected to be a concern for Labour. No stigma, no labels, secure and private, doubles the provision disabled people can access - and makes it easier for those with invisible disabilities to do so without hassle - and keeps everyone safe and free of distress. If that's an option, why are Labour pushing for one that they agree exposes women to avoidable risk, instead? It's not as if saving the public purse is generally a Labour priority. This is dogma: that we should validate trans women's identities by supplying our own unclothed bodies as a backdrop.

Sex is real. It exists. It matters, and it has consequences. One of which is women's well-founded caution around males. More than 90% of trans women have absolutely no physical changes. No surgery, no hormones. So what difference is there between them, and any other male, other than a subjective and invisible declared state of mind? None.

I'll vote for the candidate who recognises that women exist as a sex class, and commits to that legal definition - and to retaining provision and protection on that basis. Because in the words of Sarah Field, if you cannot define women, then you cannot defend them.