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Reply from the Body Shop re JKR... just so dreadful...

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onlywomennotmen · 15/06/2020 17:34

Apparently men menstruate too...

^Hello, and thank you for getting in touch with us about our recent tweet to JK Rowling. We wanted to respond to everyone who has reached out to us to clarify our position on this issue.

We are longstanding supporters of the rights of women and girls on issues which affect them and believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this. Every person has the right to live their life free from the fear of violence, especially gender-based violence. The Body Shop has been an active campaigner on this issue since 1994.

The Body Shop’s position on menstruation in relation to trans and non-binary people is that we stand with ALL menstruators. People have periods – women, men and non-binary people. And plenty of women don’t. We value learning from everyone’s experience and we believe the conversation needs to go forwards, not backwards.

We disagree with JK Rowling’s view and wanted to demonstrate our support for trans and non-binary people. We understand why addressing the tweet to JK Rowling’s personal account has been interpreted as an attack on her as an individual, and as a domestic abuse survivor. That was absolutely not our intention. We didn’t get the tone right on this one and we do want to engage respectfully and constructively on these important issues.

We believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this, and doing so constructively. We recognise that our engagement with JK Rowling on this occasion wasn’t as constructive as we would like to be. We all need to educate ourselves, be inclusive and stand together so that we can end the shame and stigma around periods for all menstruators and stand up for what is right in our society.

We stand by our position on the rights of trans and non-binary people, and we will learn from this execution to ensure our communication is stronger and more constructive in the future.

We hope this helps you understand our position. We appreciated hearing yours.^

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RuffleCrow · 16/06/2020 22:31

Does anyone know how we can find out whether these companies are actually being funded by the trans lobby (or rather, the taxpayer via the trans lobby?) Are there laws about who can make request to view their accounts? Would you have to be a shareholder or board member, I wonder?

SerenityNowwwww · 16/06/2020 22:55

Ereshkigalangcleg - thank you!

Thisismytimetoshine · 16/06/2020 23:15

Haha, the bloody neck of them announcing they've a big smile waiting for us. They won't be needing one for me, the morons.

BillBaileysBum · 16/06/2020 23:25

Fuxake. The White Musk Kool-Aid has been well and truly downed, hasn’t it.

That’s my custom gone.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 00:16

No problem Serenity Smile

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 00:19

^Designed for and tested by women.
Music to my ears^

Definitely. Will check them out.

ItsLateHumpty · 17/06/2020 00:27

Hahahahaha Body Shop in free fall shocker!

twitter.com/SoniaPoulton/status/1272939425522225154

“Body Shop has had a meltdown over THAT tweet. A well-placed source tells me they feel 'backed into a corner' & uncertain how to respond. Just received a weak media response: 'we welcome hearing different points of view... ‘Hope shareholders feel the same way when profits drop.”

See attached for what they said to consultants re THAT tweet.

I don’t think they’ve made it any better tbh - using JKR talking about being an abuse survivor to launch a new campaign aimed at “menstruators” is just abhorrent.

Reply from the Body Shop re JKR... just so dreadful...
Reply from the Body Shop re JKR... just so dreadful...
Thisismytimetoshine · 17/06/2020 00:31

What does "we'll reach out (🤮) when we have a view on the next steps" mean? Shouldn't you make sure you have a fucking clue before you start lambasting someone on Twitter?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 00:31

I don’t think they’ve made it any better tbh - using JKR talking about being an abuse survivor to launch a new campaign aimed at “menstruators” is just abhorrent.

They can fuck off all the way to hell. And when they get there... you know how it goes from there.

FantaOra · 17/06/2020 01:01

Jeez if you read that talking about pausing the campaign what the fuck where they going to do, send those cretinous bags with that vile book of pomo shite from that old man gender studies professer to more high profile women they don't approve of, suggesting they all calm down dear and have a fucking bath.

That's staggering. And now they are pleading with the poor mugs who have bought into the MLM scam to wait while they figure out how sort that fucking nuclear bath bomb out. YOU CAN NOT MAKE IT UP.

it really is imploding.

Binglebong · 17/06/2020 01:06

@Ereshkigalangcleg

^Designed for and tested by women. Music to my ears^

Definitely. Will check them out.

I was going to joke about who other could have tested them than women. Then I remembered. Not the image I want before bed!
Thisismytimetoshine · 17/06/2020 01:23

@Ereshkigalangcleg

^Designed for and tested by women. Music to my ears^

Definitely. Will check them out.

Absolutely, but isn't it a bit surreal that we're so entranced by this, considering they're tampons?
Crazy what we have to be grateful for in these strange days.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 01:25

I want that book, so I can royally take the piss out of it, page by page. Having read a lot of " how to be a better trans ally, you inadequate cis woman" blogs/thoughtfarts I am expecting a doozy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 01:27

I was going to joke about who other could have tested them than women. Then I remembered. Not the image I want before bed!

Hell no!ShockEnvy (not envy)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 01:28

Crazy what we have to be grateful for in these strange days.

Very! But tampon makers who know what a woman is, in these times, get my approval.

Userzzz · 17/06/2020 01:30

Won't be buying from them anymore.

FantaOra · 17/06/2020 01:32

Picked this up on the boycott body shop hashtag. They made the mistake of picking libfem pomo airheads in their quest to be a "real" feminist brand.

Fascinating fuck up.

Reply from the Body Shop re JKR... just so dreadful...
Thisismytimetoshine · 17/06/2020 01:39

Activist hubs Confused. "Brand purpose" to focus on gender equality Confused
Have they forgotten they're selling skincare?!

FantaOra · 17/06/2020 01:46

www.bond.org.uk/person/jessie-macneil-brown

Who would have guessed. Women's Equality Party. Behind the troll JKRowling campaign.

Biscuit
TheStateofDetroit · 17/06/2020 01:53

Im disgusted at the Body Shop. Let the menz smell like 1990. JK Rowling is amazing for standing up and being counted.

LonginesPrime · 17/06/2020 02:04

Does anyone know how we can find out whether these companies are actually being funded by the trans lobby (or rather, the taxpayer via the trans lobby?)

I doubt it - suspect they were more likely trying to score some woke points with a younger demographic because all their current customers have realised they don't actually need scented soaps in their life at the moment.

Are there laws about who can make request to view their accounts? Would you have to be a shareholder or board member, I wonder?

No, it's a private company, so there are no shareholders to answer to - their accounts are freely available on companies house, though.

It's owned by Natura, a Brazilian company that also owns Aesop.

FantaOra · 17/06/2020 02:22

In a bizzare twist the agency hired to work on brand strategy is called Mother.

www.thedrum.com/news/2019/06/25/body-shop-brings-three-agencies-help-it-shout-about-its-purpose-based-heritage

MrsKypp · 17/06/2020 03:06

What do they mean by men have periods?

That's just totally bizarre.

I don't expect the Body Shop to be run by a team of gynaecologists, but you don't need to study medicine at Oxford to know that men don't have periods.

MrsJamin · 17/06/2020 07:49

In that email to the mlm consultants... What in God's name is a Menstrual Movement?! 🙄 Still really considering sending back to their HQ the tiny amount of hemp handcream I have left, as I can't bring myself to use it!

AbsintheFriends · 17/06/2020 07:56

I'm not in retail or marketing but it's baffling to me why they're trying so hard to ride on Lush's rainbow coloured tailwind when the blue hairs (who have little disposable income anyway) are already loyal to that brand.

Imagine how different all this would have been if they'd sent that bag to JK in genuine solidarity with her as a woman, a survivor of domestic abuse and a victim of vile trolling and online bullying. Still a cynical marketing move, sure, but I bet their figures for the past week would have looked a whole lot more healthy if they'd gone with #IStandWithJKR.

Bodyshop board members - guys, if you're reading this (and we know you are guys) - we might be invisible older women to you, but by and large we have disposable cash, perimenopausal skin, a very clear understanding of biology, drier hair than we used to, massive compassion and interest in women's causes around the world, a willingness to pay a bit extra to support genuine fair trade and enterprises that benefit women, a nostalgia for dewberry and white musk, and a severe intolerance to misogynist bullshit. You could have cornered the scented bath product market here by knowing who your customers are and being courageous. Instead you decided to try to get in with the popular kids by joining in with the bullying.

Bad business move. In the words of one of the spokesmen for your chosen movement, 'enjoy ur erasure.'