Do you think most people simply agree with radical TRA’s from lack of knowledge?

[Cornana]

Most of my friends have said things like, “oh JK Rowling is very transphobic.” When I’ve actually showed them her Tweets, they’ve turned around and said it’s nothing like they thought and they agree with her. I study Law and most of my peers are very grounded and rational- We all understand the implications of getting rid of single sex definitions and spaces, etc, as we have to learn about it. The average person could easily not realise this, as it’s not something that really comes up unless you happen to be in the field or similar. I find a lot of my friends who judged Rowling and similar just actually didn’t know what being gender critical was about- Once we’ve actually had a conversation about what it actually is, the legal and social consequences etc, they’re normally a lot more open to gender critical points of view and agree with me.

Just that basically- Do other people think the trans movement only has such a big support online as people just don’t really know much or pay attention, see the word “transphobic” and automatically agree?

[Whatsnewpussyhat]

DP (who is fairly well read and up to date with current issues) believed until recently that transwomen were extremely effeminate, non threatening gay men with severe gender dysphoria

I this this seems to be the case for a lot of people.

I also hate the whole trans folk being murdered left, right and centre because of women speaking words.

The other great thread points out that these transexuals are the ones actually being murdered in south America, in cultures that are also still very homophobic and have no other choice but to do sex work. The same places where females are also murdered in high numbers.

The white, opposite sex attracted, aggressive males with no dysphoria are the majority now.

When you point out the actual trans murder/assault figures for the UK compared to females, they say that's because trans population is tiny % compared to females.
When you point out that most of the victims weren't killed because they were trans but by their sexual partners (so not hate crimes) so just the same old male violence that kills females, they ignore it.

When you also point out if they use the % murder/sexual assault rates committed BY trans women in the UK population compared to females then it shows that this tiny minority has a rather disproportionate offence rate. But, ya know, can't mention that coz transphobic to point out male pattern behaviour.

Every week there are murders and rapes being committed by trans women around the world that get ignored or reported as women's crime.

[NaturalBornWoman]

@GinasWig

I used to defend trans rights, spout twaw. Then i read the feminists threads on here. Yes, definitely lack of knowledge..the T being grouped with LGB made me feel like since im pro lgb i must be pro trans and any challenge to anything that relates to trans is bigotry. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Getting themselves added to the LGB label was a master stroke, what decent human being would object to LGB rights in this day and age. Obviously the reality is that T has nothing whatsoever to do with LGB and in fact is profoundly homophobic. It’s clearly been very well planned and executed by a terrifyingly powerful lobby.

[Goosefoot]

EVERY TIME the link leads to some bollocks op-ed, even by bloggers with no expertise, or skewed studies and biasedly interpreted statistics.

Not so much lately, but up until about six months ago the thing people referred me to as the gold standard for popular authority was the edition National Geographic dedicated to gender.

I've seen some surveys though with young people who seem to honestly now have a different definition of biological sex that relates entirely to personal choice.

Yes, I've noticed this too. Because they have a different set of definitions they are structuring their thought in a different way. I find it easy to talk past them in a conversation.

[ChickenNuggetsChipsAndBeans]

Firstly, people dont understand the detail about transgender issues and therefore default to be kind

Secondly, we are in the era of soundbite politics , everything Boris says he reduces to a slogan:
Get Brexit done
Stay at home
Time to move on

I know he is the village idiot, but there are clever people behind him and clearly they think that this is what works with the public.

The TRA mantra "trans women are women" has the same soundbite feel that people can resonate with.

The closest that the GC side could get to is "most of the tine trans women have male genetalia" and it doesn't have the same ring to it.

I think alongside tolerance and acceptance, debate and debating skills should feature heavily in education.

Maybe as parents, we also need to teach our children these skills. I am guilty of swearing at the screen in front of my son when Boris comes on screen, but I dont really explain why.

[OldCrone]

The TRA mantra "trans women are women" has the same soundbite feel that people can resonate with.

The closest that the GC side could get to is "most of the tine trans women have male genetalia" and it doesn't have the same ring to it.

What about "Transwomen are male"? Even TRAs can't dispute this, because only people born male can be transwomen.

[NotTerfNorCis]

I saw a TRA on Twitter telling people he'd read JK's article so they didn't have to, and it was just as full of hate as they'd expect.

[ChickenNuggetsChipsAndBeans]

Oldcrone.. I agree trans women are male should be the GC slogan, but people have lost jobs, lost friends and been hounded off social media for saying far less.

[Gncq]

@OldCrone

The TRA mantra "trans women are women" has the same soundbite feel that people can resonate with.

The closest that the GC side could get to is "most of the tine trans women have male genetalia" and it doesn't have the same ring to it.

What about "Transwomen are male"? Even TRAs can't dispute this, because only people born male can be transwomen.

But you can't say that because it's transphobic.

Don't forget it also makes you a TERF which is the modern day equivalent of witch.

I agree the TRA argument has mantras, slogans and insults that the GC argument simply doesn't.

[OneEpisode]

Twaw and “trans rights aren’t human rights” “black trans women’s lives matter” are useful to TRAs on twitter.

In the real world, sharing the actual definition of trans now being used on stonewall’s website, or showing Alex Drummond from the trans advisory panel can make people actually think and think maybe we should agree on a full sentence, maybe with clauses and semi colons.

And of course pictures. That wealthy white NZ weight lifter on the medal podium with the young, disadvantaged women of colour. Pips Bunce’s women’s awards. Plenty more, and videos, Hannah Mouncey talking about chicks and taking a place in the women’s team.

It shows that trans people do deserve the human rights we should all have, their lives matter, but show that a woman has lost a place in the team, in the awards.
A paragraph of competing rights are needed. Not slogans?