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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Thoughts on The Danish Girl

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JKRowlingTransExplosion · 11/06/2020 19:35

I’ve name changed for this post, mainly because “J K Rowling trans explosion” was how I described Twitter to my partner this morning and I thought that phrase needs to be either a Mumsnet handle or a punk band.

The Redmayne debacle got me thinking back to when I went to see The Danish Girl at the pictures, which was before I knew anything at all about the trans rights debate (beyond being liberal and supportive of trans people as part of the LGBT umbrella), and even before I recognised that I was a radical feminist.

I thought the film was very poor in terms of writing and structure, but also at the time it really annoyed me because I thought it was an insulting portrayal of transexuality - a missed opportunity to provide insight and understanding into a marginalised group.

I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that Redmayne’s character put on a pair of stockings and immediately realised he was a woman. I thought it was superficial and unrealistic.I found it offensive - on behalf of transwomen - that being a woman was portrayed as nothing more than dragging up and mincing about. There’s more to it than that, I thought. Real women don’t mince - why on earth has he suddenly started mincing and simpering? Real transwomen don’t just put on women’s underwear one day and suddenly realise - in that very sexualised context - that they’re actually a woman.

The characterisation of his wife was just as annoying too - she was a walking cliche.

I’m somewhat fascinated that my instinctive response to the film was “that’s not what a woman is” and to find it offensive for both women and transwomen.

These days, I’m not so sure that the film was off the mark.

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GrumpyGran8 · 13/06/2020 19:48

now ER has come out with the anti-woman sentiment that he has, he’s kinda ruined enjoying his films for me. Except perhaps to chuckle at Jupiter Ascending
I went to the Wikipedia entry for the film and spotted this:
However, the film received positive response from a niche of female science fiction fans who appreciated the film's campiness and deviation from typical female action film stereotypes

I might just watch this tonight - after a glass or two! Grin

YinMnBlue · 13/06/2020 20:09

I didn’t like the film for a variety if reasons but the simpering, dear god I can’t stand simpering. And I can’t stand the whole woman as a gender = simpering.

So when Elbe gave up painting and took up showing women how to use perfume on a perfume counter because as a woman the impetus and talent to paint had apparently atomised in a puff of scented air my feminist grinch arose and I didn’t the rest of the film rolling my eyes.

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