Why have mixed toilets become so popular now?

[KatDubs261]

I am still fairly new to this debate but I am determined that we will keep our single sex spaces.

What I am wondering is - if transmen and transwomen have been using the gendered toilets they identify with for years - why is it only recently there has been a big push for mixed sex.toilets?

Sourced would be great

They aren’t popular with any woman I know.

They stink, and no-one is comfortable letting their children in there alone.

The need for family toilets has been deliberately conflated with the want to make all toilets gender neutral. The fact is nobody wants just gender neutral toilets and in areas of the UK with majority South Asian / Middle Eastern populations (parts of Bradford, Leicester, parts of London) people will actively vote with their money.

www.womenarehuman.com/politician-who-advocated-mixed-sex-restrooms-changing-rooms-accused-of-sexual-activity-with-a-child-david-smith/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-48989690

My husband's company, a major US software company, has to keep issuing emails, and putting up notices in the MALE toilets telling people not to leave shit and piss on the lav lav seat, not to wipe shit on the wall etc.

Individual loos in restaurants etc are often covered in piss.

Why any woman would want mixed sexed facilities is beyond me.

And that's before we even get to safety issues

I live in a houseful of boys and men. There's 3 toilets and 2 are unpleasant. There's water on the floor, empty loo rolls, the odd poo smear on the wall (!), and the toilet is well skidded on despite me cleaning them once a week and a large supply of new toilet rolls with reach.
I use the en-suite and in there I have fancy hand soap, a towel which only dries cleans hands, not arses, and I wipe the sink down if there's any marks on it.
My husband, who is not an innocent observer of said bathrooms, would choose to go to mine for a visit over the other two and when I ask why, his answer is that it is a much nicer experience. It may be a general thing that women's toilets are nicer places and men want a taste of that.

I can't fathom why they are becoming widespread, because they are:

• Disgusting
• Dangerous

I must be a bit slow, but the danger thing suddenly hit me last summer, when DD10 went into a toilet block precisely as I was coming out, and the only person left inside was a 50ish year old man washing his hands. Who may have been the nicest, saftest bloke in the world. But I'd rather not have to find out. Or worry about it. I walked back in with her and waited for her to finish outside her cubicle. The man looked uncomfortable. I was uncomfortable (DD was thankfully oblivious).

One of the local high school has mixed toilets. How inadvisable is that? Poor teenage girls. Very relieved DD won't be going to that one.

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-activists-protest-law-banning-flashing-of-genitalia-in-restrooms-locker-rooms-change-rooms/

This one too at the bottom of Ova's link.

To me, any adult Male demanding the removal of sex separated spaces, is exactly the kind of adult Male those spaces protect us from.

To me, any adult Male demanding the removal of sex separated spaces, is exactly the kind of adult Male those spaces protect us from.

THIS.

Thing is it is not just men now. I am now having unbelievable debates with female friends I have always considered to be as passionate about women's rights as I am. Their arguments are:

• 'I dont have a problem with them'
• 'mens toilets might be disgusting but us women are just as disgusting with periods'
• single sexed toilets wont stop predators
• we should deal with people who do assault women on a case by case basis (ie no safe guarding)
• 'I never experienced having a group of girlfriends to chat and do make up with so I really dont care if that disappears'

I think they are popular with the most vocal trans rights activists because it validates the belief of trans women that they are real women if they get to use the women’s facilities - and their validation and feelings matter more to them than the safety, comfort or dignity of women and girls.

Basically the biological females are supposed to be nice, and accept these trans women in our spaces despite the fact that 90% of them have had no surgery at all, so what we are being asked to accept is people with penises, in our most intimate safe spaces!

Look at J Yanniv - a fully intact male person who says they are a woman and wants to lurk in the ladies loos, in the hope of seeing a tampon string hanging out of a girl’s vagina, so they can have a conversation with them about tampons, or worse, wonders whether, if they encountered a young girl who was going to use a tampon for the first time, they could offer to help the girl insert the tampon!!

Or the trans woman who boasted on Twitter about how uncomfortable they made women in a shelter, by parading around with their naked penis out. Not someone I want in the loos with me or with vulnerable women and girls.

Or the trans women who go into the ladies’ loos and take used sanitary towels so they can wear them - to feed their delusion that they are menstruating!

it's because they take up less space. if you can reduce the sqm of space occupied then your cost drops significantly. (source: spent many years working on reducing accommodation costs for the gvt)

The only people who actively like mixed sex toilets are people who want to do things they shouldn't be doing in them, ime. It's not just a women thing, most men aren't keen either. Putting them in schools while kids are going through the extra awkward stage seems like something devised by a teacher who enjoys torturing their pupils.

1. Active push from trans lobbyists.
2. Companies want to be ‘right on’ and it costs less / takes up less room.

I particularly enjoyed emptying my mooncup and having to exit the cubicle to wash my bloodied fingers in the communal shared trough sink at Hauser and Wirth, Somerset. Silly me, I could have used the disabled facilities - because having a period is a disability (ffs)!

Not popular at all! Yuk.

Schools are doing it because they have a problem with bad behaviour, usually among boys, that they don't want to manage.

So they make the toilets unisex with the assumption that the presence of girls will moderate the behaviour of boys.

No consideration of how the girls feel about that, just another assumption that females exist to act as support humans for males.

It won't be mixed sex though will it. We've seen it already.

It will be Mens and Everyone else

I believe the statistics show there is one rape a day In schools. Girls as young as 5 being the victims.

Still they are losing the one space away from boys.

Ironically schools often quote in the papers about how well it works and how staff patrol the areas regularly and all is good.

First up why are they suddenly patrolling the mixed sex toilet area? Any ideas?

And second if behaviour was so bad they mixed the toilets to improve it then where were the staff who are free to patrol now, back when they were single sex

I've seen the argument extended to changing rooms in gyms (and schools) and have actually experienced - on Twitter - men and also some women saying things like "It's only a penis, get over it! or "I can't see the problem, we should just have mixed changing rooms anyway."

Even providing them with real life examples of why this will exclude large numbers of women and girls increasingly gets met with the 'they'll just have to be uncomfortable or not use them' argument.

I just want to share my experience in relation to rapes in schools.

When I was at school a boy (who everyone believed was gay & therefore welcomed into the girls groups) threatened to rape me, would go in to great detail about it and assaulted me multiple times in a classroom.

This boy used to lay in wait outside the toilets and he eventually exposed himself multiple times to my friends. In the end we went to the police and had him expelled. That toilet was often my safe space - imagine he could have followed me in?

This is part of the reason I feel so strongly. I saw him for the first time in 15 years a few months ago and I could hardly breathe.

Oh kat

This is where so much ignorance is shown really. Rape and sexual violence isnt about sexuality. It's about power. Which is why gay men have no place in womens spaces because they are men and offend at eye same rate as men. And why no one is worried about lesbians becuase they offend at the same rate as women which is much lower. Still, u get the nonsense that if we are happy sharing spaces with lesbians then we shouldn't mind men

I am really sick of women being made to feel like they have to disclose trauma to try to get any respect, especially from people who demand we all take a mans word at face value.

The people who say they are cool with mixed sex spaces aren't getting it. This is not about you.
Rights aren't about whether or not you personally need them.
The people who are least ok are also the most vulnerable and you shouldn't force them to have to fight to keep an existing right they already have.

I have no evidence to back this us, but I think that once gay marriage was legalised Stonewall needed some other law change to advocate for. They seem to have decided that self-ID was the one they wanted.

Whilst almost nobody was watching they’ve wrought havoc in schools, universities and other public institutions. And almost nobody in those institutions questioned it, because Stonewall was a charity with an excellent reputation.

@Thelnebriati

I am really sick of women being made to feel like they have to disclose trauma to try to get any respect, especially from people who demand we all take a mans word at face value.

The people who say they are cool with mixed sex spaces aren't getting it. This is not about you.
Rights aren't about whether or not you personally need them.
The people who are least ok are also the most vulnerable and you shouldn't force them to have to fight to keep an existing right they already have.

Absolutely this.

Why is the onus on us to defend our rights to male invaders? We have nothing to prove. Our spaces were fought for and more than justified for reasons of safety, dignity and privacy.

On the other hand, I'm yet to hear one compelling argument from those who believe male bodies are entitled to share female spaces.

This has made me feel ill. Don’t know about any of you ladies but one of my biggest fears is walking into toilets and finding a man in there. Just there.
And we are at our most vulnerable sitting with pants down peeing can they not just even let us piss in safety 🥺

No they cant. Because we might talk to eachother and have ideas and that's dangerous. Toilets mean we can leave the house. Whos cooking their dinner and ironing their manky pants.