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What the white supremacist roots of ‘biological sex’ reveal about today’s transphobic feminism

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stumbledin · 10/06/2020 18:09

I am not in any way saying anybody should take the time to read this, but posting because whatever is or has happened on twitter in nothing compared to the ongoing onslaught the the MSM is orchestrating against JKR.

Even allowing for click bait, the number of anti woman articles that are appearing day after day is way beyond what has happened in the past.

This article looks like just a cheap way to attack JKR. If you cant get her on the basis of her writing the truth about women, then smear her opinions as being racist.

"Much like British imperialist classifications, rejecting the idea of more fluid sex seeks to violate anyone who doesn’t conform"

www.independent.co.uk/voices/transphobia-sex-gender-white-supremacy-racism-jk-rowling-a9557996.html

(It is open to comments but not sure if commentating doesn't encourage them to commission this type of reactionary anti woman nonsense. But on the other had it needs to be challenged.)

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TheRealMcKenna · 11/06/2020 09:01

I am guessing that they is still a bit annoyed at being referred to as a ‘gentleman’ on Sky News.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/06/2020 09:23

Also agree with Goosefoot :

Their hope, I assume, is that if they can cement the causes together in people's minds they will be able to regain some lost ground

Previously TRAs were very much hitching the trans wagon to the LGB. It has been notable of late that the TRAs are trying to co-opt the BLM movement.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 11/06/2020 09:29

Yesterday I reported several posts calling people on this board racists for supporting JKR.

It's a thing and it's bollocks. They don't have any way of engaging with the arguments because she's right.

TheHoneyBadger · 11/06/2020 09:33

[quote TheRealMcKenna]I am guessing that they is still a bit annoyed at being referred to as a ‘gentleman’ on Sky News.

[/quote] Phrase of the decade is, emperor’s new clothes. She even described saying gentlemen as a ‘slip’ a slip of responding to the reality before her eyes rather than confirming to lies.
Gncq · 11/06/2020 09:39

Yes.
White colonialists created biological sex.

Much before that, when baby Jesus was born to Joseph and Mary, virgin births were extremely common, what with so much procreation happening between Mother's and Fathers who both happen to have vaginas.

In fact, many a baby was pushed out of a penis in couples where the mother and father were thus endowed.

White colonialists stopped all of this.
It's all just been written out of history.

The 12 disciples all had a different gender and a different pronoun too don't you know.

MockersGuidedByTheScience · 11/06/2020 09:43

We're being kidsplained by the first generation not allowed to play outdoors. Perhaps we created these monsters and so are to blame?

That said, I am thoroughly fucked off with it, with having it explained to me that I am priveliged because I am not quite as oppressed as much as some other people.

The crowing glory of this for me was when Hillary and Melissa Benn were told they were betraying their Father/Grandfather with their opinions, and what he would have said to them was dot dot dot. They both patiently explained what he had said to them over decades, to no avail. That wasn't on the internet so it wasn't true.

Kettlingur · 11/06/2020 09:57

God bless the British overlords, otherwise we lowly natives would not know how babby is made

Enderthedragon · 11/06/2020 10:19

Oh look, a man telling women how to be feminist. How fucking novel. He has form for this though, he has written articles before about how the core tenent of feminism is to end oppression for all people blah blah blah.

This is also Amrou though, so I don't think we need to take him too seriously!

www.bbc.co.uk/ideas/videos/what-quantum-physics-taught-me-about-queer-identit/p06ltbj1

TheRealMcKenna · 16/06/2020 08:49

Previously TRAs were very much hitching the trans wagon to the LGB. It has been notable of late that the TRAs are trying to co-opt the BLM movement.

Can you imagine trying to explain to someone 30 years ago that in 2020 more than half the population of the western world would be White Supremacists purely for believing that XX and XY had a significant role in biology?

Antibles · 16/06/2020 10:13

Previously TRAs were very much hitching the trans wagon to the LGB. It has been notable of late that the TRAs are trying to co-opt the BLM movement

Yes. So opportunistic.

There was an attempt to piggyback onto disability rights too using sport as the vehicle.

BlindAssassin1 · 16/06/2020 11:20

This reads like some green undergrad has taken his first class in PoMo and upchucked onto the page. Its so weak. In my day (says the old fart) you would have been raked over the coals for turning in such unsubstantiated drivel. Now I understand, this conforms nicely to the woke ideology demanded of by academia.

I was open to understanding how racism and the pro-biology stance were interlinked. But the argument actually is utterly patronizing and racist in itself, assuming that before colonialists landed people across the globe, across different civilizations and across time didn't get were babies come from. It fetishises the non-white experience, casts it in rose-tinted glasses, like is said above, it re-imagines the noble savage. It never once seeks common experience among people (biology perhaps?!), and women especially, to seek the roots of patriarchy.

Its lazy. It allows the trans ideologists the ally themselves to the anti-racist movement without doing any deeper work on racism. TBH I see a lot of diversion between the two movements. A lot of work on black body positivity includes loving your black body as it is, you don't need to always straighten your hair, lighten your skin or make your backside skinnier, whereas trans ideology promotes painful invasive life altering surgery, and hormones.

stumbledin · 16/06/2020 13:49

If you thought the article I linked to as the start of this thread was just nonsensical, you should see this one. Beginning to feel this isn't just a few outriders chancing their luck at getting something published by a wholesale re-working of the trans agenda to make them seem they are part of the anti racist movement against entrenched racism and historical colonialism.

" ... So Rowling, a British feminist, is soaking up these anti-trans views—she’s transphobic because everyone she reads and listens to is. Why? That’s the real mystery. Some pin the blame on many British journalists’ close ties to 2000s “skeptic” movement, largely built around dismissing pseudosciences such as homeopathy and “anti-science” views. My view is that it’s about just how white and privileged journalism is in the U.K. One study estimated that 94% of British journalists are white, with another finding that over half come from private schools (an eternal indicator of Britain’s class system). This is not a unique issue, but privilege has gone less challenged than in the U.S. “Middle- and upper-class white feminists have not received the pummeling from black and indigenous feminists that their American counterparts have,” wrote Sophie Lewis in the New York Times last year. Paris Lees, trans columnist for British Vogue, wrote on Twitter that feminists who criticize her are also hostile to black women who “put forward an anti-racist agenda.” ... "
www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/06/jk-rowling-transphobia-feminism

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MoleSmokes · 16/06/2020 14:25

Pleased to see that, on all the Indie offerings from the cess-pit, the vast majority of comments are supportive of JKR.

There is the odd comment focussed on the male experience of "masturbating while trans", details too revolting to repeat, which only serves to remind readers that the majority of trans people in prison in the UK are sex offenders.

One of many excellent replies to the article:

Heirloom Rose
While women in India were expected to throw themselves on their dead husband’s funeral pyre a few castrated men were privileged enough to collect taxes is not a compelling argument for wanting to share same sex spaces.

What the white supremacist roots of ‘biological sex’ reveal about today’s transphobic feminism
Thelnebriati · 16/06/2020 14:36

Please, please, archive the articles and post the archived links. Every click gives them a popularity boost if not income.

The two main archive sites are The Wayback Machine and Archive.Is, remember to check the link hasn't already been archived first.

web.archive.org

archive.is

DreadPirateLuna · 16/06/2020 15:21

I'm willing to believe that TWAW is a much more popular belief among white and middle-class people than it is among other groups.

MoleSmokes · 16/06/2020 15:33

TheInebriati - I agree very much with archiving for long-term reference.

"Every click gives them a popularity boost if not income."

Worth it in the short-term IF people can be bothered to register for a free account in order to vote on or add comments. Despite the site giving the impression that you need to pay and subscribe in order to comment, this is not so. Just Register then close the pop-up asking which type of Premium Subscription you want to sign up for.

There are two sets of comments: "Premium Comments" and "Open Comments". On most Independent articles, if there are any comments at all they are all and only Open Comments.

Also interesting to see how many comments are from people saying that they are cancelling their Premium Subscriptions due to the attacks on JK Rowling and repeated rants by transactivists. The Independent was "cancelled" long ago by anyone with an ounce of common sense.

The ownership of The Independent and its unremitting advocacy for divisive identity politics makes an interesting combination.

Political correctness

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"The term first appeared in Marxist-Leninist vocabulary following the Russian Revolution of 1917. At that time it was used to describe adherence to the policies and principles of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (that is, the party line)."

"Linguistically, the practice of what is called “political correctness” seems to be rooted in a desire to eliminate exclusion of various identity groups based on language usage. According to the Sapir-Whorf, or Whorfian, hypothesis, our perception of reality is determined by our thought processes, which are influenced by the language we use. In this way language shapes our reality and tells us how to think about and respond to that reality. Language also reveals and promotes our biases. Therefore, according to the hypothesis, using sexist language promotes sexism and using racial language promotes racism."

Continued at:
www.britannica.com/topic/political-correctness

Flapjak · 16/06/2020 15:56

'Limited idea of binary sex' Grin. How does this fella think he was concieved by a male and a trans woman or a unicorn? Honestly , i just dont know if they really believe it or just trying to be hip and 'progressive'

quixote9 · 16/06/2020 21:24

Language certainly shapes thought. Just look at the default "he" for everything and how many people picture a woman when a discussion turns to "man" inventing agriculture. Thought also shapes language. Otherwise we wouldn't have a default "he."

And if you need more proof, look at the people insisting white colonialists invented sex when what they mean is 'invented the gender roles we're familiar with' and then imagining they could change sex as easily as gender roles.

Words matter.

(And, of course, God, yes, on the sheer presumptuous ignorance of glorifying noble savages who'd lived in innocence until the East India Company came along. I'd call the Wokeus Dei idiots, but it feels like more than that. Lot of motivated reasoning there.)

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