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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

India Willoughby on race

52 replies

WendyHoused · 07/06/2020 16:33

Funny how JK Rowling gets acres of abuse while IW is spectacularly racist on Twitter and seems to get away with it scot-free.

Twitter is both racist and misogynistic as bloody usual

India Willoughby on race
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RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 07/06/2020 18:02

Oh my giddy fucking aunt

chuntersalot · 07/06/2020 18:25

Ratio looks a bit different now -

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1269350370230390784?s=20

ShinyFootball · 07/06/2020 18:26

India's follow up:

'Education/qualification wise, the biggest under-performing demographic in the UK is white working class boys. Black kids doing better. In the workplace, the push is for more diversity. Straight, white male - 👎 Therefore, this is a good time for opportunities.'

ShinyFootball · 07/06/2020 18:27

Funny that India only mentions boys and men in that post isn't it.

And has a lot of sympathy for straight white males.

Alyssum34456 · 07/06/2020 18:29

She clearly has no idea. Idiot.

RumbaswithPumbaas · 07/06/2020 18:34

Okay so my charitable theory proved wrong...

ShinyFootball · 07/06/2020 18:39

Standard MRA / racist. White straight men are the most oppressed EVER.

This is the person who said women who don't shave their legs are dirty, let's not forget.

popehilarious · 07/06/2020 18:39

Funny, when I had a brainfart and thought this was India Knight I didn't think it was racist. It does seem to be, coming from a white person. Could've been phrased better to not sound so bad... Maybe?

RumbaswithPumbaas · 07/06/2020 18:49

why do people do this? The problems of working class white boys with relation to education/opportunities does not make racism go away.

It’s like blooming top trumps again. Maybe being the most oppressed, (stunning and brave) makes you an expert on everything Hmm

aliasundercover · 07/06/2020 18:59

[white people are ] tip toeing around, scared to offend and many businesses will seize the opportunity to look better by using black people
Are you kidding me? Are you claiming that we poor white people are being hard done by? And black people are getting work easily because a business wants to look woke?

I think you need to go away and have a long think about things.

StrangeLookingParasite · 07/06/2020 19:13

Clueless idiot demonstrates cluelessness and idiocy. Quelle surprise.

ShinyFootball · 07/06/2020 19:26

BUT don't get a pasting for it.

And THAT is privilege.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 07/06/2020 19:40

the biggest under-performing demographic in the UK is white working class boys.

I believe this bit is true. The rest - OMG

Gronky · 07/06/2020 20:44

why do people do this? The problems of working class white boys with relation to education/opportunities does not make racism go away.

Oppression is a currency, of sorts.

Sonotech · 07/06/2020 20:47

I hope ITV are aware of this.

CaraDune · 07/06/2020 20:49

@Sonotech

I hope ITV are aware of this.
Isn't it channel 5 that Willoughby works for?
Sonotech · 07/06/2020 20:55

I’m sure she was on this morning on a Skype interview Friday? All though I could be wrong .

I can’t see it in her page is it still up?

ShinyFootball · 07/06/2020 21:02

Oppression is seen as a currency by those who feel that things which are done to help people with various issues (usually after years of lobbying, fundraising, letter writing, demos etc) as a threat.

I have never seen a feminist, which is the area I am most familiar with, say that White boys from lower income families shouldn't be supported.

They are however often raised by people who have no interest in helping working class white boys, as a reason that it's not fair that girls etc etc get extra 'attention'.

I saw this at work. I mean there are many examples eg men getting women only sessions shut down at pools. They say it's sexist. But they don't want a men only session (which I can't imagine women would have a problem with). They just don't want women to have them.

At work. Male dominated sector. Pay gap 40% plus. New womens network. First action, change name to gender network to support all genders. First meeting. Beforehand. Male colleague banging on about 'paying for hang gliding lessons for one armed Muslim women. Guest speaker was a sportswoman who had got a good turnout (like my colleague) because she'd been a competitor at international level. She said she'd never done anything like this before but felt strongly. Talked about the 'banter' when young. How she put up with all sorts of stuff and now she is older and looks back thinks, wow that was awful. Said it was a youth 'cool girl' thing and she got it now. How she would have distanced herself from feminism. How she was naive. How her opportunities after stepping back from competition were totally different to men who hadn't won as many prizes. Etc.

Second question from the floor, from a woman, was, aren't we in danger of discriminating against white men. This is in a company with hardly any non white people and a 40% plus pay gap. With hardly any 'starter' or back office type jobs (the usual pay gap explanation).

Second question was another women. She said 'I see the CEO is here what does he think'. So he stood up and, I shit you not, stood in front of the sportswoman and took the floor. Said he'd realised things needed doing since he had daughters...

Sorry stream of consciousness. But that's what it looks like. Lip service and a load of resentment from men who haven't a clue and the women facilitating them.

I applied for the women's network btw when it was setting up. I said I was passionate about women's issues and for the workplace things like maternity discrimination, presenteeism were issues. They said I didn't sound like a good fit. So there you go.

SonEtLumiere · 07/06/2020 21:06

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Gronky · 07/06/2020 21:15

Oppression is seen as a currency by those who feel that things which are done to help people with various issues (usually after years of lobbying, fundraising, letter writing, demos etc) as a threat.

I think groups who feel oppressed seek to leverage the gains made through the work of other groups. This isn't necessarily bad but definitely can be. I would also say there's an aspect of apparent credibility to being viewed as oppressed, it may not necessarily be genuine (in terms of those defending the oppressed truly believing their defence) but, in claiming oppression, scrutiny can be deflected.

Sorry stream of consciousness.

Personally, I appreciate detail.

Gronky · 07/06/2020 21:24

I wanted to add that I agree that oppression isn't inherently a form of currency but I do believe that, in some ways, it's gained value (in part, thanks to the aforementioned hard work), much like a traditional fiat currency.

ginandbearit · 07/06/2020 22:23

Working class white boys ARE the most underperforming educational demographic but they still get more jobs than working class black boys .

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 07/06/2020 22:50

WTF. Can you imagine being such a narcissistic arsehole, totally devoid of empathy, that when you see black people being beaten and killed, etc the primary emotion you feel is jealousy because they're gaining media attention and you're not And so disgruntled are you about it, that you actually feel justified to tweet about it.

Completely self absorbed, shitty excuse of a human being.

Thelnebriati · 08/06/2020 00:09

''Education/qualification wise, the biggest under-performing ''"Adam Henton" was offered three times more job interviews than "Mohamed Allam", a BBC study finds.''

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-38751307

ShinyFootball · 08/06/2020 01:01

On the currency thing

When it comes to disadvantaged/ oppressed groups, years of activism has gone into raising awareness, campaigning, marching, getting into the media, raising funds, getting laws changed. It is a slow, difficult process and an uphill battle.

The gains that are made feel uncomfortable for those that don't benefit from them. That might lose out from them. And so you see this thing that the people who are not of the group see the gains as being privileged above others. And they think, where is my stuff? I am losing out here. Why are these people getting so much attention.

And then you get pushback in the form of oppression Olympics.

India saying what about white working class boys?
What has India done for white working class boys?

Men saying that groups for women, BAME people, LGB + stuff are not right, where is my group? The answer is of course, if you want one set one up. They don't. They want other people to do it for them, for 'fairness', and then they won't go anyway.

Like the complaint about all women gyms. Sexist. You want an all men gym? Set one up. That's fine by me. And anyway there are all men gyms around the place.
But they don't want that. What they want us for women not to have all female gyms.

It's a reaction to not being the centre of attention any more, for some, a small bit of society doing stuff for others. And it pisses them off.
But they don't want to have those things, they don't need them. They just want to stop being/ feeling excluded because there is stuff happening that is not prioriting them and that feels like an affront.