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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Trans people are dying"

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Babysharkdoodoodood · 30/05/2020 19:29

Campaigners say council 'bowed to bigots' to scrap sex programme www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/campaigners-say-council-bowed-bigots-18335915

Ahhhh dear oh dear.

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HermioneWeasley · 30/05/2020 19:34

The thing is, they give relevant examples. - IMO a child shouldn’t be put in isolation for wearing the opposite sex uniform. Kids should be able t9 wear whatever uniform they want. The problem is when they say a boy wearing a skirt is a girl, entitled to use the girls’ facilities and the girls are bigots if they object.

As ever with TRAs, the over reach has created the backlash

TehBewilderness · 30/05/2020 19:37

"if you want to legitimise your fetish, make sure it is seen as the same thing as gender dysphoria in children and adolescents" has been excellent advice, up until now.
Sunlight is going to be the downfall of grooming children into believing they were born wrong if they deviate from sex role stereotypes.

isabellerossignol · 30/05/2020 19:41

It's the drama of it all. It just makes me roll my eyes. Why is it suddenly life and death? How come 30 years ago when I was at school no one was dying because of this? Or indeed, throughout the rest of history?

OhHolyJesus · 30/05/2020 19:44

Same as Sefton Council and others bowed to TRAs then.

I wonder when all this will implode. It must be soon...

SarahTancredi · 30/05/2020 19:54

Kids are given detentions all the time for the most ridiculous uniform violations. Many girls arent allowed to wear trousers either. None are killing themselves over it. If a skirt is life or death then that might suggest that one is not mentally stable and has bigger issues than a uniform every student on the planet hates wearing but gets on with it?

nauticant · 30/05/2020 19:57

The All About Me (AAM) strand was axed by the county council in April

This stuff writes itself. I feel sorry for irony though. To have lasted thousands of years and to have suddenly died a couple of years back.

NeutralJanet · 30/05/2020 19:58

90% of young people who participate in youth Pride events in that area are trans? Seems like a high number, are there a lot more trans youth now or is it that the LGB section of LGBT feel pushed out by everything having to be about trans issues and don't want to participate?

OneEpisode · 30/05/2020 19:58

This is Warwickshire so the “Christian Institute” vs that rather unusual “All about me” toolkit.
I can’t get over that quote though: “Daniel Browne, chairman of Warwickshire Pride,” “90 per cent of the young people who attend the organisation’s youth groups are trans“
What happened to all the other lgb youth?
Did the reporter not have a moment writing that up?

OneEpisode · 30/05/2020 19:59

Sorry Neutral I’m slow to post. It’s astonishing though, 90%!

SarahTancredi · 30/05/2020 20:02

Wasnt Coventry pride ( which is Warwickshire isnt it?) Sorry shit geography Blush the one where a DC amd AC were part of?

Youd think theyd be supportive of the safeguarding given the previous lapses

ShinyFootball · 30/05/2020 20:07

Girls fought for years to be able to wear trousers to school.

I am happy to fight for a set of uniform and children can pick what they want. So boys can choose skirts if they wish.

What is not good and in fact illegal is that of a boy says I'm a girl they can go and change with the girls for swimming etc

OneEpisode · 30/05/2020 20:10

Does anyone know if the trustees of Coventry and Warwickshire overlap?
That article was awful, there was as a heading “why was the programme controversial” but no explanation! No link to the toolkit. Then a link to the petition, which doesn’t include a link to the toolkit either. Then my fave comment on the petition site was “I didn’t know they used a toolkit, so there needs to be more not less!!” (But whatever that toolkit said, it should be compulsory, obvs)

FloralBunting · 30/05/2020 20:10

90%? I mean, every day is new fucking jaw drop. Jaysus.

Clymene · 30/05/2020 20:13

Coventry is indeed where David Challenor lived and was involved with Pride before he was locked up for torturing and raping a little girl while wearing a dress.

OneEpisode · 30/05/2020 20:20

I recall the mystery at the time that David was banned by Coventry Pride a long time before the Green Party stopped David acting for them. And of course, Aimee Challenor carried on living with David at the small house where the abuse occurred, acting as spokesperson for both.

Clymene · 30/05/2020 20:22

The All About Me programme was written by Jonny Hunt who is a straight white bloke, he has nothing to do with trans. He is responsible for the website Respect Yourself which Warwickshire pulled which tells children that watching porn is fine and teaches them about bukkake and fisting.

OneEpisode · 30/05/2020 20:24

Warwickshire pride is Leamington Spa. charities commission site says “promotions of equality and diversity by eliminating discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity”.

Clymene · 30/05/2020 20:25

Yes to be fair them OneEpisode, they did kick him out once he was charged. Though I suppose the Green Party would have expected their deputy leader candidate to have raised the issue

SarahTancredi · 30/05/2020 21:01

I am happy to fight for a set of uniform and children can pick what they want. So boys can choose skirts if they wish

I would absolutely too.

Shame however that whenever schools adopt a gender neutral uniform they just ban skirts.

The theme is always to take away . Never to add.

ShinyFootball · 30/05/2020 21:03

Trousers as standard for girls come with s host of issues.

I agree that removing not adding is shit.

Also it's another male as default thing. The idea that they would say skirts only is unimaginable!

SugarPlumFairyCakes · 30/05/2020 21:04

Warwickshire Pride is separate to Coventry.
I got the rage reading this - rubbish 'reporting' from Coventry Telegraph, which is now just a click bait rag that no-one takes seriously. However, Warwickshire Fire Service was promoting a Drag Queen talent .type thing just before lock down to support Pride and the ages of their groups is the classic wide ranging 14 to 25 year old.... Once again, where is the due diligence or safeguarding knowledge?

SarahTancredi · 30/05/2020 21:15

Also it's another male as default thing. The idea that they would say skirts only is unimaginable!

If I have remembered correctly, it turned out that a public trans figure famous for "suing their school " for not being able to wear the girls uniform, turned out that what they wore wouldnt have been appropriate, /allowed for the girls either. So there was more to it than simply bring denied the right to wear the girls uniform. It would be interesting to know how/what happened

I can't be 100 percent on that though..

Goosefoot · 31/05/2020 01:53

The thing is, they give relevant examples. - IMO a child shouldn’t be put in isolation for wearing the opposite sex uniform. Kids should be able t9 wear whatever uniform they want. The problem is when they say a boy wearing a skirt is a girl, entitled to use the girls’ facilities and the girls are bigots if they object.

I don't think kids should be put in isolation for anything really, but I am not so sure this business of uniforms is as straightforward as is often thought.
Uniforms that differ according to sex are a cultural tradition obviously, rather than some innate connection. But by the same token, clothes are just clothes. Beyond functionality, does it really matter if some kids want skirts and some pants, any more than if some kids would prefer blue to green? It's really just a personal preference, which isn't a big factor with regard to uniforms.
But putting so much weight on the preference for traditional girls vs boys clothing, I think we've fed into the idea that there is something special about our preferences in those things that is separate from sex but somehow just about cultural traditions around sex. It's played into the idea of essential gender identity separate from sex.

StrangeLookingParasite · 31/05/2020 03:18

“It’s not an exaggeration to say trans people and young trans people are dying because of transphobia. The suicide rates are so high

It's not an exagération, it's a lie. No, they're not.

TehBewilderness · 31/05/2020 03:21

The suicide rate increases significantly post transition so it is fairly obvious that transitioning children is what is causing them to suicide.

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