"Trans people are dying"

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Campaigners say council 'bowed to bigots' to scrap sex programme www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/campaigners-say-council-bowed-bigots-18335915

Ahhhh dear oh dear.

@Clymene I am nearly as old as Methuselah, and I've probably led a fairly sheltered life. I had never heard of "bukkake" and, to be quite honest, I wish I never had. Sadly, Google does make it all too easy.

It's "All About Me."

Really?

Pressurebto wear the right clothes for your sex is part of forcing you into a sex defined box where how you express yourself, what you are allowed to do and be good at are to be defined by sex

Clothing is a big issue. No one should be forced to do something , especially something irrelevant, because of their sex.

If clothing is acceptable for one sex, it is acceptable for both and if we didn't force such stupid rules then perhaps people could be free to be themselves without assuming there is something wrong with them

Did they seriously call the program "All About Me"? Really? The TRA war on self awareness must continue, I guess.

Life and Death.

For whom exactly, the one transperson that gets murdered a year on average in the UK? Or maybe they are lying about suicide rates again, who knows with them.

"Mr Browne called for more education to tackle the issue "

You mean for indoctrination.

And in the UK, if you are Trans according to the Stonewall definition, you are more likely to be a murderer than to be murdered.

Clothing is a big issue. No one should be forced to do something , especially something irrelevant, because of their sex

Everyone is forced to wear uniform though. So its not something that's being forced on one person.

Girls uniform in particular seems to be under never ending scrutiny. Skirts too long or short. Trousers too tight etc.

I'm against uniform personally but no ones "let off" with uniform.

In schools where girls are not allowed to wear trousers it seems a little unfair that one pupil can say they are trans then basically get a choice if skirts or trousers. Unlike any of the other children.

In schools where skirts arent allowed as uniforms are "gender neutral " something these lobby groups campaign for then in that school no one wears a skirt so if they are ok wearing trousers there then how is the skirt the problem?

In In schools where skirts and trousers are permitted for girls and they wear one well yes they will surely be subject to the same problems the girls have surely ? So of their skirt is the wrong type they would get sent home.

But given these kids will find a no skirt school perfectly acceptable one has to wonder why so much focus is put on the girls uniform ? How can my be so important when in some schools it doesnt even exist.

Besides the problem is rarely the clothes. It's the invasion of the spaces when wearing them. And that's on the lobby groups who are lying about the equality act,.who are lying to them about what will happen at school and trying to force places to vote along with their lies by threatening suicide if they dont.

Uniform has to be the least adapted set of clothing ever.

I would like to see far more adaptations allowed for children with sensory issues or kids with eczema and to take body shapes into account. Leggings allowed instead of tights. Trainers allowed so kids can just be comfortable rather than crammed into school shows. Blazers optional and a choice between say sweatshirts or blazers.

All available from supermarkets so a 10 pound blazer with sew on badge or no badge at all allowed alongside the 35 quid logo stuff. Less focus on the skirt style so Any generic black or grey skirt allowed. Stuff like that.

And yes absolutely everyone free to choose between skirts ,skorts, shorts, trousers, the sunner dresses and play suits , sports leggings shorts and tracksuits.

Basically just let the buggers be comfortable and tackle bullying.

@Clymene

The All About Me programme was written by Jonny Hunt who is a straight white bloke, he has nothing to do with trans. He is responsible for the website Respect Yourself which Warwickshire pulled which tells children that watching porn is fine and teaches them about bukkake and fisting.

Yes it's very bad reporting as the petition is not about the All About Me programme but WCC withdrawal of the trans toolkit.

twitter.com/WarksPride/status/1266392332481544192/photo/1

Did they seriously call the program "All About Me"? Really? The TRA war on self awareness must continue, I guess.

They just needed to add a few more "me"s to be fully reflective.

He added that 90 per cent of the young people who attend the organisation’s youth groups are trans

No, nothing to see here!

''But given these kids will find a no skirt school perfectly acceptable'

They don't, not all of them.

Girls fought for years to be able to wear trousers in most schools.

Conversely, many schools are now removing the skirt option for girls, which causes issues for many girls for a variety of reasons.

As the PP said uniforms should be more flexible for all. They are often uncomfortable, itchy, can cause thrush etc etc

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I meant that when schools received "training" about how to accommodate trans students, and gender neutral uniforms and toilets are one way to do this, which is where removal of skirt comes in, this somehow is acceptable to the groups at least. It just kinda makes no sense in any other way than basically just ensuring girls have zero options because boys aren't allowed shorts in secondary schools so boys option is usually trousers whereas some schools allow girls to wear either skirt or trousers. So seems to me really that it comes from a place of wanting to make sure that girls only have been option too . So again instead of adding they campaign to take away.

So seems to me really that it comes from a place of wanting to make sure that girls only have been option too.

We had a thread last year in which a poster was adamant that, in the name of equality, girls should be banned from wearing skirts if their uniform rules permit trousers too. Because it's not fair to the boys, apparently, if girls have a choice and boys don't.

As I recall, we did suggest that surely the thing to do would be to expand the boys' options, and let them choose between skirts or trousers on an individual basis.

This was deemed ridiculous, and merely an illusion of choice, because no boy would ever choose to wear a skirt, apparently.

It was a strange thread.

Yes I remember that one I was on it

They just couldnt comprehend that it was a case not of numbers but if needs and if it takes less items to meet the needs of one set of people 100 percent than it does to meet the needs of the other set 100 percent then so be it.

By that thinking women should only have 2 methods of birth control available because that's all men have

“I am happy to fight for a set of uniform and children can pick what they want. So boys can choose skirts if they wish.“
Just make them all either kilts or trews for both sexes (can’t change sex) and let the kids select which is most appropriate for the season or temperature

That is terrible reporting."Trans people are dying" where is the evidence of that?
Shouldn't they put in the number for Samaritans at the end of the article when taking about suicide?

Are they not wondering why 90% of the young people that attend the organisations youth groups are trans?Where are all the gay children?
This is so sad.

I’m sure the Tavistock said they had one tragedy, ever. I really don’t understand why the Samaritans aren’t asking for their code, when discussing these tragedies, to be used. I would imagine that conflict is why they aren’t mentioned.

This is them www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/
I’ve been listening to podcasts and Malcolm Gladwell was a guest talking about how small changes can prevent the tragedy.
No effort here from Warwickshire Pride to prevent, just capitalise?

So I know transphobia exists and I know we should protect everyone.
But for the statistics, the Samaritans have an excellent website with lots of guidance for journalists.
Then “We’re the only organisation fhat collates suicide statistics for the UK, it’s nations and the Republic of Ireland.”. Commentary and 17.9 mb, 47 pages.
I searched for “trans” and “binary” and there are no references to transgender people anywhere in the doc. Page 11 and 29, about the need to improve the accuracy of data at the point of death registration etc. would have been great places to add a sentence about how transphobic people stopped people being registered as their true selves.
But nowhere in the 47 pages did this issue come up. Lots about male vs female though.
The only reference to transgender people on the site I could find was two LGBT orgs listed on “other sources of help”.

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It's irresponsible journalism.They are talking about about trans kids committing suicide with no evidence at all, it's emotional blackmail.

We had a thread last year in which a poster was adamant that, in the name of equality, girls should be banned from wearing skirts if their uniform rules permit trousers too. Because it's not fair to the boys, apparently, if girls have a choice and boys don't.

Way back in the mists of time that was the argument used when we started campaigning for girls to be allowed to wear trousers in my school. The boys actually were allowed to wear short trousers, they were listed in the official uniform list but none of them ever did and nobody liked us pointing it out - almost like the unfairness of us having a choice wasn't the real objection.

I know that mimmymum or whatever she is called said she knew two young people who had taken their lives during the GRA consultation process. Never was able to provide any evidence obviously.

Weaponising suicide - particularly that of young people - is such an egregious tactic. I have zero respect for any person or organisation that stoops to it.