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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fantastic and much needed report by Transgender Trend

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PinkBrained · 28/05/2020 19:21

This specifically talks about vulnerable kids with SEN targeted by Stonewall.

www.transgendertrend.com/stonewall-autism-stonewall-schools-guidance/

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kesstrel · 28/05/2020 19:36

I was just reading this. One of the main points is that Stonewall's most recent schools "guidance" is going after children with SEN.

Often a child or young person’s words or actions are automatically attributed to their SEND without considerations of other factors, such as their orientation or gender identity. This might include: preferences for clothing types or hair length being seen as a sensory need; fear of change at puberty; behaviours described as a new special interest, fascination, curiosity or phase.”

There's quite a bit more, and some of it is truly shocking stuff.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/05/2020 20:19

@kesstrel

I was just reading this. One of the main points is that Stonewall's most recent schools "guidance" is going after children with SEN.

Often a child or young person’s words or actions are automatically attributed to their SEND without considerations of other factors, such as their orientation or gender identity. This might include: preferences for clothing types or hair length being seen as a sensory need; fear of change at puberty; behaviours described as a new special interest, fascination, curiosity or phase.”

There's quite a bit more, and some of it is truly shocking stuff.

This stood out to me: “Some children and young people with SEND, including those who have neurodivergent learning styles, may need additional support in understanding their own identity.”
RuffleCrow · 28/05/2020 20:27

The MRAs/TRAs just get creepier and creepier. I'm extremely concerned for my dcs after reading this. Thank goddess for Transgender Trend bringing this to light.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 28/05/2020 20:30

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FreeKitties · 28/05/2020 20:40

This is dangerous nonsense. However- this may well be their undoing, they have been quietly encouraging the ‘diagnosis’ of
children with ASD as being ‘trans’ for a while - once this hits mainstream i think parents and professionals will begin pushing back.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/05/2020 20:45

It's excellent, isn't it. I'd like to see the Department for Education find a spine and do something about this. Several government departments, all LEAs and Academy Trusts could do similar.

Gncq · 28/05/2020 20:55

There's huge money invested into medicalising personality traits. It doesn't begin or end with ASD/SEND children.

OldCrone · 28/05/2020 21:00

@kesstrel

I was just reading this. One of the main points is that Stonewall's most recent schools "guidance" is going after children with SEN.

Often a child or young person’s words or actions are automatically attributed to their SEND without considerations of other factors, such as their orientation or gender identity. This might include: preferences for clothing types or hair length being seen as a sensory need; fear of change at puberty; behaviours described as a new special interest, fascination, curiosity or phase.”

There's quite a bit more, and some of it is truly shocking stuff.

This reminds me of some guidance for schools which was discussed on hear a couple of years ago.

In a section entitled "Being Fully Inclusive: Children and Young People with Additional Support Needs (ASN)", it says this:

Please note: by age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. Some children with a learning disability/additional support needs, however, may not develop gender awareness at the same age and stage as their peers. It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth.

Conversely, this often requires blatant ‘boy/girl’ activities. However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity.

www.centralsexualhealth.org/media/8009/guidance-for-schools-trans-gender-variance.pdf

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101245-NHS-Transgender-guidance-for-schools

I don't know if this guidance is still being used by schools. The link to it still works.

happydappy2 · 28/05/2020 21:16

So trying to convince SEN children they are transexual.....also there is a huge movement to target children in care (some of whom we know will have suffered sexual abuse and of course want to disassociate from their bodies.) This crap needs to be taken away from children, adults can access it if/when a Dr refers them to it.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/05/2020 21:18

I have been baffled by how influential Diane Ehrensaft is ever since seeing that nonsense clip about the toddler pulling the barrette (clip?) out of her hair was a sign she was rejected her gender assigned at birth, but particularly since finding out she believed in the Satanic panic and got a research article published. How do professional people get away with displaying this level of credulity and still maintain a reputation - actually, even just how do they stay on the register of HCPs?

4thwavenow.com/2016/09/29/gender-affirmative-therapist-baby-who-hates-barrettes-trans-boy-questioning-sterilization-of-11-year-olds-same-as-denying-cancer-treatment/

t.co/2Q6fAsB6YO?amp=1

MoltenLasagne · 28/05/2020 21:51

It's as though they're actively recruiting from the most vulnerable population of children. Or indeed like another phenomenon that we can't mention.

Datun · 28/05/2020 21:53

Please note: by age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. Some children with a learning disability/additional support needs, however, may not develop gender awareness at the same age and stage as their peers. It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth.

Conversely, this often requires blatant ‘boy/girl’ activities. However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity.

This was shocking and unconscionable.

We will try and make them learn gender stereotypes, and when they don't adhere to them, we'll say they are trans.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 28/05/2020 22:03

What a terrifying account from Transgender Trend. Well done them.
I wonder what Stonewall's specific qualifications are for advising schools about autism and children generally?
The regulatory capture of civil servants via awards, hospitality and ally / champions systems is an open scandal and in direct contravention of the Nolan principles of public life that specifically forbid this type of privileged access and granting of favours. Presumably this extends to elected politicians as never before have any political lobby groups been given open access to schools and children like this?

It is long overdue for the government to stop funding and recommending them to schools.

OhHolyJesus · 28/05/2020 22:20

I don't have the stomach for this tonight but will read so thanks for sharing.

I came by to say that foster kids are also in their sights and this is being done through foster carers.

BlackeyedSusan · 28/05/2020 22:35

Thank you transgender trend.

but bloody hell.

FloralBunting · 28/05/2020 22:54

I haven't read this yet, but wasn't there some egregious bullshit floating about that there were kids being 'cured' of autism by transitioning?

We really need to 'platform' these abusive oddballs. Everyone should hear exactly what they believe and think.

SarahTancredi · 28/05/2020 23:19

Time to leave this again

Fantastic and much needed report by Transgender Trend
Xpectations · 29/05/2020 00:29

About two thirds of the way through the report.
Will be sharing on FB over weekend with summary of points for parents/people in education.

SunsetBeetch · 29/05/2020 08:45

This is so sinister. I hope Baroness Nicholson and Jackie Doyle Price are in the case.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/05/2020 08:51

@SunsetBeetch

This is so sinister. I hope Baroness Nicholson and Jackie Doyle Price are in the case.
Baroness Nicholson is reading it: twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1266097782689071106?s=19
Herja · 29/05/2020 08:58

@SarahTancredi

Time to leave this again
That's mental. From that I would be probably trans. There was me thinking it was a hangover from childhood abuse and neglect, repeated rapes and grooming relationships...
Herja · 29/05/2020 09:00

Thank you OP. I will be highlighting this to my woker than woke MP. We have an ongoing argument for 3 or 4 years now, where she consistently ignores anything I say and tells me to be nice, it's always good to have more reports to send.

littlbrowndog · 29/05/2020 09:12

From the report below

Stonewall are not medical or clinical professionals and are thus unqualified to provide guidance on an approach towards children who are experiencing confusion or unhappiness about being a girl or being a boy. They have no authority to advise on the best course of action for individual children with unique circumstances and histories. It is not appropriate or safe to advise a one-size-fits-all approach towards individual children.
Stonewall are not child psychologists or experts in the field of child and adolescent development and their interpretation of children’s words or behaviour is viewed through the lens of an ideological belief. Schools are instructed to interpret children’s actions and preferences through the same lens as Stonewall. In the latest guidance teachers are encouraged to consider a child may be ‘transgender’ by the clothes they wear, meaning that if a boy comes to school in a dress staff must consider whether he is really a girl. Schools have a duty to eliminate gender stereotypes and should not be encouraged to stereotype children by their clothing preferences.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 29/05/2020 09:16

We will try and make them learn gender stereotypes, and when they don't adhere to them, we'll say they are trans.

And those children are being targeted precisely because they're likely to fail at adhering to gender stereotypes. Is there not a way to use existing laws around disability to shield kids on the spectrum from this?

Jintyfer · 29/05/2020 09:18

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