More 'stuff that doesn't happen Paws, why are you getting your knickers in a twist?' Chapter 897

[Lordfrontpaw]

Mum fuming as daughter, 11, set homework asking her to 'define hardcore pornography' (yes thats 11 years olf not even year 11)

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-fuming-daughter-11-set-22049850

A teacher set this homework. On what planet did a professional working with children think this was ok?

I don't think anyone is saying that children should not be thought about it at all, you said in your post.

My impression was that a number of people thought 11 was too young, but I could be wrong, as you say. It's worth knowing in any case how many kids start viewing pornography that young. I an ideal world i'd want to talk about it later.

I'm not surprised though that it's not age appropriate, I think the focus of sex ed generally, and also certain other social topics, doesn't take into account what's developmentally appropriate. It seems like they don't really understand children at all.

Once, probably yes. I should really be asleep as I'm knackered but too hot to sleep. It's not really strictly on topic here, but crikey, doesn't it just show the tangled web of lies, misdirection and inappropriate stuff aimed at kids all under the cosy banner of 'inclusivity'?

Goose

This stood out to me in the apology, the principle said:

"I have asked that any future materials of this nature have a clear statement ensuring students and their parents are aware of any potentially sensitive content and will ensure all materials are fully age appropriate."

Why would the principle need to ensure that the materials are age appropriate, surely teaching materials from the PSHE association must be age appropriate?

I know Floral!

I will do a search tomorrow, and hopefully R0 might help.

Goodnight

Why would the principle need to ensure that the materials are age appropriate, surely teaching materials from the PSHE association must be age appropriate?

I guess it depends on what he means, or what has really gone on? Is it that the materials are just badly written, in which case maybe he means they will be more careful now that they are aware?

Or maybe the problem was that teachers are meant to use this stuff in a way that's more adaptive, but parents aren't necessarily expecting to do that in the same way? Overall a lot of stuff being transmitted from schools for teaching at home isn't being dealt with very well.

Worth bearing in mind that many teachers delivering this stuff will also have been heavily indoctrinated in the "sex positive" and "anything that says it's progressive and inclusive is good!" mindset, thanks to willing external D&I lobbying groups and their helpful "schools programmes".

So many parents have no idea what's being taught.

Or maybe the problem was that teachers are meant to use this stuff in a way that's more adaptive, but parents aren't necessarily expecting to do that in the same way? Overall a lot of stuff being transmitted from schools for teaching at home isn't being dealt with very well.

Personally. I think that’s part of the oroblem here. It’s one thing for teachers to guide students carefully through a topic, quite another to send it home for kids to work through independently. Many kids’ parents are working full time from home, so aren’t able to supervise homework as closelyas they’d like. There are terms to define in that homework which will immediately lead a child to problematic content if they google.

surely teaching material from the PHSE must be age appropriate.

Unfortunately I don’t think some of it is anymore. So much crap has slipped under the net in the name of inclusivity when all it does is to break down children’s boundaries, girls in particular to train them to be sex objects for for pedophiles / hebephiles or for future partners as they reach sexual maturity.

It sounds as if this comes from the same think tank as the Respect Yourself website created by Warwickshire Council, which has now been taken down. This was aimed at 13 yo plus. This is the thread on it. The link to the website no longer works as it is “under review”. But there are excerpts and photos of links on the thread. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3701564-Anal-sex-for-13-year-olds-Warwickshire-again?pg=1#prettyPhoto

This is a pic of quotes fromAntibes on the page on porn, which aims to totally normalise porn. Someone else commented on another gem, such as “if a 12 year old is addicted to porn...”.

I agree that teaching children about pornography and the dangers of porn addiction, that it isn’t real life, boundaries and so on would be acceptable. Although I still don't think it should be aimed at 11 and 12 yos. However, this is seeking to do the complete opposite and normalise porn.

The lesson the girl in the was given doesn’t sound like sex Ed, rather compulsory relationship education as part of Life Skills (which we as parents cannot pull our children out of) and is following on from the themes in the primary “All about me” programme, which went live last year and then certain parts were quickly pulled.
www.julesgomes.com/single-post/UK-schools-to-teach-four-year-olds-how-to-masturbate

I have had a quick google to see if I can see any PSHE material. I found this NSPCC. It is a ks4 document btw and therefore for 14+. Rather a different feel to it and more in line with what we should expect. learning.nspcc.org.uk/media/1410/ks4-lesson-plan-3-pornography.pdf. I cannot find anything more on the subject of porn. Perhaps trawling for longer would give me better results.

Anyway, this is on the PHSE website. It is a 6hr lesson plan on FGM for yr7. In 2014, when this document was published, it was thought necessary to write to parents to inform them of the decision to teach the lessons. In 2020, we have “progressed” so far that some educators think it is ok to traumatise 11 and 12 yos.

I forgot to post the FGM lesson plan. Just posting it to illustrate the suggested letters to parents . www.pshe-association.org.uk/system/files/KS3%20FGM%20Lesson%20Plan.pdf

Have just been reading the FGM lesson plan. Interesting that it states very clearly that Muslims believe God has created their bodies perfectly and that they shouldn't therefore change their bodies.

Later on, it says that male circumcision is carried out for religious and cultural reasons in boys of the Jewish and Muslim faiths.

I don’t think religion being complicated is the fault of the PSHE pack person!

It sounds as if this comes from the same think tank as the Respect Yourself website created by Warwickshire Council, which has now been taken down.

It does, so why if the Warwickshire one was pulled are the PSHE association teaching the same kind of lessons.
Would really like to see the other lessons and materials.

The "factsheet" says that the trans child must be able to use the toilet of their choice, so schools have to prepare to facilitate this?

To me the rather strange wording read as if schools were possibly supposed to proactively encourage children to change gender:

Growing numbers of young people are presenting as gender diverse, so schools need to be prepared to facilitate ‘transition’ (change of gender expression), rather than reacting only when the situation arises

But yes I think it means that schools are expected to set up gender identity based policies etc whether or not they have a "trans" child in school.

Eresh

Those fact sheets are nearly identical same as the trans toolkits.

Thanks, I didn't look at them. But I can imagine that they are.

I’m sorry...did I just see a link about teaching 4 year olds to masturbate?!!!!!

WTF?!!!!!!

I know little kids can find pleasure in touching themselves but it’s not something to be encouraged. Not at their age

I don’t think religion being complicated is the fault of the PSHE pack person!

It's not so much religion being complicated as religion contradicting itself. The problem with the pack is that it has an agenda. It's trying to say: FGM is bad, but it's also un-Islamic. A true Muslim wouldn't mutilate their child because it's against their religion.

Male circumcision is OK, and it's an important part of the Muslim religion. It turns out that true Muslims do mutilate their children after all.

I think they hope that children are too stupid to notice.