More 'stuff that doesn't happen Paws, why are you getting your knickers in a twist?' Chapter 897

[Lordfrontpaw]

Mum fuming as daughter, 11, set homework asking her to 'define hardcore pornography' (yes thats 11 years olf not even year 11)

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-fuming-daughter-11-set-22049850

A teacher set this homework. On what planet did a professional working with children think this was ok?

But ist not part of the 'stranger danger' topics (and how you shouldn't trust people) stuff that we had back in the day. This seems to be in the 'some people do this' topics.

If they're going to learn about anal, they need to be shown an anal prolapse and colostomy bags. They need to be shown the study that describes how the vast majority of girls don't want it, and the exact number of boys who don't care. They could be given the useful concept of 'You First'.

They need to be told that beastiality is illegal. And the sorts of men who go to prison for it. And how long prison sentences are.

'We don't consent to this' website should also be accessed. And why it was necessary.

And if they have to learn about trans porn, they should also be told about the trans advocates for extreme porn. And how the viewer has orgasms, on the back of being left in some doubt as to whether or not the woman in question has been killed, because that is soo arousing. And that one of the trans-advocates for extreme porn claims they were consulted about child safeguarding at girl guides and was consulted by our government, on women's rights to boundaries.

And don't get started on the boys. Do they get shown the Italian study describing how a significant number of teenage boys were unable to get an erection, unless they were viewing pornography at the same time?

Because that's definitely something you want to put in their stocking at Christmas.

Jesus Christ.

Awful.

But I’m also cringing for the girl:

The 34-year-old said: "My daughter is still very much a child, we've still got magic elves, her bedroom is done in My Little Pony. She is very innocent and naive.

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The 34-year-old said: "My daughter is still very much a child, we've still got magic elves, her bedroom is done in My Little Pony. She is very innocent and naive.
The 34-year-old said: "My daughter is still very much a child, we've still got magic elves, her bedroom is done in My Little Pony. She is very innocent and naive.

It's horrific.

She would've been looking at injuries to women's vaginas, anuses and breasts that are so extreme, the viewer is meant to think they could be fatal.

And in five years, if proponents get their way, she could be that woman.

this is a plus side of lockdown and kids learning from home, parents are more likely to see the inappropriate material their kids are being exposed to at school

Yes! I've just made a post on this!

Another good thing. the 34 year old mum and 25 year old big brother are on the record as not finding this appropriate. But maybe they are both members of that international lesbian conspiracy?

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But I’m also cringing for the girl

The 34-year-old said: "My daughter is still very much a child, we've still got magic elves, her bedroom is done in My Little Pony. She is very innocent and naive

Why cringing- should she not be allowed to be interested in these things?

There's a famous quote, something about not being able to define pornography but that you know it when you see it.

So it's highly unlikely an 11 year old could define it unless they had already been exposed or they went looking for it. For most 11 year olds this question from a school is bound to induce curiosity.

Just hugely irresponsible and inappropriate.

I think porn should be discussed with older children but not like this.

"Teachers at Archbishop Sentamu Academy in east Hull asked the 11 to 14-year-olds to "define" pornography, soft pornography, hardcore pornography and transsexual pornography, as well as female genital mutilation, wet dreams, trafficking, male circumcision, breast ironing and more"

Hiding in plain sight.

Why cringing- should she not be allowed to be interested in these things?

I take your point that they are harmless interests and age appropriate, but havIng had my more self-conscious child recently go up to high school, I think the Mum could have made her point without opening her child up to ridicule by less kind peers.

Astonishingly whilst most of the btl posts are supportive of Mrs Taylor there a couple criticising her for having had her first child when she was a teenager, including a spectacularly nasty one which I'm not going to repeat.

On the off chance Mrs Taylor sees this- well done you and why aren't more parents complaining.

Teenage parent doesn't equal bad parent. I'd say Mrs Taylor is doing just fine if she's prepared to advocate for her daughter.

"The PSHE materials that we share with students are produced in line with government guidance,the PSHE Association Programmes of Study and the Sex Education Forum’s definition of Sex Education. They also cover the Equality Act of 2010.
Gavin Williamson needs to get a grip on this quickly.

I am really fed up with the society-wide idea that it is always wrong to have any kind of morals about anything associated with sex.

Why? Morals, or morality, is essentially about values and ideas about right and wrong. Why on earth should ideas about right and wrong ways of treating other people be thrown out the window, whenever the subject is sex, including the entire sex industry?

I know that people associate the concept of morals with prudishness, and a complete clamp down on all things sexual, but male sexual entitlement enthusiast have really done a number on us here.

I’d say it is not just acceptable, but a goddam requirement, to take a stand about the sex industry. Schools should be allowed to teach children that porn is exploitative, and usually treats women appallingly.

If these resources aimed to teach children that, without showing examples or going into detail, I’d be ok with teaching about porn.

Yes, fall, and that porn damages males to the point of being unable to enjoy sex or maintain an erection without it.

Given the comment about covering the Equality Act it will have been linked to the usual suspects in some way.

The PSHE sex education materials on the PSHE association website are for members, however there is one link I found on the website about trans pupils:

www.pshe-association.org.uk/system/files/Factsheet%20-%20Transition%20of%20pupil.pdf

FFS that document is a terrible collaboration between GIRES and Mermaids!

Growing numbers of young people are presenting as gender diverse, so schools need to be prepared to facilitate ‘transition’ (change of gender expression), rather than reacting only when the situation arises

My bold. What does this mean? It sounds worrying.

More factsheets:

www.pshe-association.org.uk/lgbt-consortium

I am going to go against the majority here and say, I don't think 11 is too young, if schools should be doing protective sex ed at all.

Eleven is the average age for children to be exposed to pornography, which is horrible, but it's not really on the schools I don't think. It's mostly due to access to the internet. And some of what they can see is really horrible.

As for the definitions of hard and soft core, the latter doesn't show actual insertion and often not penises at all, often the people are only pretending to have sex. Arguable some mainstream television shows these days include it. I'm not sure that it's terribly useful to young people to know this, but it could be put pretty simply as saying one shows real sex and one doesn't, but both are pornography (and problematic therefore.)

I'd kind have expected the lesson to tell the kids that though, there's no point asking the children - how would they know? It would be a bad approach in any subject to ask kids things they don't know the answer to. I wonder a bit if it's a problem with the way it's been adapted to send home?

Why they would talk about specific flavours of porn I have no idea, I can't see any value.

Eresh

The "factsheet" says that the trans child must be able to use the toilet of their choice, so schools have to prepare to facilitate this?

The factsheet about a transitioning teacher says the same - that a trans person must be allowed to use the facilities aligned with their gender ID, and that anyone who objects must use other facilities.

Another fact sheet suggests schools collate 'HBT phobic' incidents for purpose of possible hate crime prosecution. It is vague on what constitutes an incident, and as we've seen in the recently withdrawn CPS guidance, it could plausibly be a female pupil objecting to a male in their facilities or not wishing to have them as a friend.

Goose

I don't think anyone is saying that children should not be thought about it at all, you said in your post.

Why they would talk about specific flavours of porn I have no idea, I can't see any value.

The parents/guardians quoted in the article say they don't have a problem with sex education but that the home work the children have been given is not age appropriate.

Floral

Maybe this needs a thread of its own?I'm think there must be one already, i'm sure i have read about this on here before.