People with periods

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I follow 'The Eve Appeal' on fb and noticed that they seem to be avoiding the word 'woman' in their campaigns. Example in attached pictures 'How do we support everyone with a cervix to get screened?', wouldn't it be easier 'How do we support women to get cervical screening'?? My daughter has a cervix, but at the age of 2 I'm sure she doesn't need screening. Another one 'Some people experience (...) a degree of spotting between periods'. I'm confused how a charity for women's cancers is not using the word 'woman' anymore. You could argue some women had their cervix removed an don't need the screening, but I've not seen 'People with testicles, make sure to check them', even though some men might not have their testicles intact. AIBU to feel a little irritated by this.

They can fuck off.

No one cares that women may not know they have a cervix and the harm that would cause

Of course prostate havers are still men...men haven't lost their word

I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of trans men. We all know what they mean.

How utterly ridiculous. All this stuff is just so STUPID- the denial of basic biological fact in the name of 'inclusivity' or whatever. I just hope that this total madness has to burn itself out some time soon

And yet the jade goody affect had worn off and up takes of smears has fallen a worrying amount.

Its not inclusive of women Is it. And given trans people can change their sex markers on the drs record they arent getting called for tests

Its woke points. Thats all

We all know what they mean.

Who’s “we”? Educated native speakers who have time to read through the whole leaflet?

Covidicus, a person who has a cervix and is of age to need a smear test is a woman. That's something else we all know. No one is interested in how anyone identifies when it comes to healthcare, we're only interested in biology

I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of trans men. We all know what they mean.

Actually, 'we' don't all know what they mean. There are many women across the UK with low educational attainment or English as a second language who will not understand that 'person with a cervix' includes them. Who vastly outnumber transmen.

Its never " women and people with a cervix " is it.

Always the word woman removed completely. Opposite of inclusive

I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of trans men. We all know what they mean.

State women and transmen then. Easy and clear.

Oh hold on - some adult males might not like misappropriation of the word women.

There are many women across the UK with low educational attainment or English as a second language who will not understand that 'person with a cervix' includes them. Who vastly outnumber transmen.

And trans men, by definition, will be very aware of their female biology.

But who is everyone. It’s really unclear. It’s like having to guess who everyone might be

What's next, will I have to stop calling my daughter 'daughter'? Will I have to say 'immature person with uterus and ovaries'? What if, heavens forbid, she is missing one of those without me knowing. I'm all for people dressing the way they want, but it all looks like making 'woman' a dirty word.

Shouldn’t health messages be clear not a guessing game

They could support "everyone who a cervix" to get screened by using the word woman.

People with a cervix makes it sound like they are a minority health group with special anatomy. The people who don't go for smears already are likely to be people who will not get the nuance.

Surely you'd have a separate campaign for transmen? Given their rejection of their female body surely you would need a specially formulated campaign to reach them?

I would say they started out saying "Cervical screening for everyone" and then realised that sounded like men should get cervical screening too. This is a poorly phrased attempt to get "everyone" and "cervix" into a sentence.

Women who've had their cervix removed won't need it screened, in any case.

This is mental. Can there possibly be any transmen with cervixes who don’t know they need screening? And are they really so sensitive that they can’t talk honestly with their healthcare providers with the confident expectation that they’ll be given the testing they need?

We need to keep pointing out this madness to our friends, families, etc, so that more and more people become aware of just what’s going on.

Good point Sarah... it assumes a degree of anatomical knowledge that not everyone has... plus everyone has a cervix if you’re talking about the neck in Latin (eg cervical vertebrae vs cervical smear).

Medical language such as ‘women’s health’, and even ‘smear test’ and ‘obs and gynae’ are typically easier for adult human females to understand relates to them and their health needs rather than “given anatomical structure haver” I don’t even know if you still have a cervix post hysterectomy for example, and I am a biologist by profession.

I’m not convinced that this is entirely about preserving the feelings of transmen but divorcing ‘woman’ from female biology to please the “womxn”

No one changes men’s language so the transmen don’t feel left out. Nor is “prostate haver” used routinely to include trans women - either because men wouldn’t stand for it, or trans women would possibly be offended.

In the end anatomy word salad is to everyone’s detriment if we aren’t truthful about the different medical risks and screening needs for the underlying sexed body beneath the surgery, hormones and clothes... or you need an a-level in biology to understand the leaflet.

'we all know what they mean'.

FFS, no we don't, its one of the reasons why they have to do campaigns in the first place.
Another being controlling men who don't want someone else interfering with 'their' woman, and who have to be told in plain English that this is a basic, necessary medical exam. (And this is another reason why some women must have a woman perform the PAP.)

This is all so basic. How is anyone arguing against it on a feminism chat board?

In the end anatomy word salad is to everyone’s detriment if we aren’t truthful about the different medical risks and screening needs for the underlying sexed body beneath the surgery, hormones and clothes... or you need an a-level in biology to understand the leaflet

Its yet another example when everyone whether they consent to or not becomes responsibility for the mental and physical wellbeing of complete strangers after lobby groups fill their head with lies. We are all to pretend we dont exist as a firm of " treatment "

The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Care is apparently terrible they want better health care. But the health care providers have been "trained" to ignore reality and put the delusion on records leading to the very obvious result that they are not given the healthcare they need. But its our fault not theirs?

How many transwomen are sent invitations for smear tests they dont need and how many transmen arent sent the reminders ?

And this is the best way? Really? To just make sure no one accesses the treatment but least no one is offended? Well no one who matters anyway

People with testicles ...

"Testicular cancer exercise may be difficult for some people for up to a month or so after testicle removal surgery"
www.nrshealthcare.co.uk/articles/condition/testicular-cancer

"Some people with testicular cancer may have low sperm counts because of changes that occur in the testicles before the cancer develops."
www.nhs.uk/conditions/testicular-cancer/treatment/

"We don’t know what causes testicular cancer,but we do know that some people have a higher risk of developing the disease."
www.wales.nhs.uk/sites3/documents/577/testicular_09.05.pdf

This has been brought about by the same lot that scream at women and accuse us, especially lesbians, at being ‘obsessed with what other people have in their pants’, while claim to be word woman. Yet, when it comes to cervical smears, we’re not permitted to use the word women, but must be described by what we have in our pants and the rest of our bodies. They can fuck off.

Yeah I know that having a smear test is what I know about. But everyone with a cervix kind off looses me at what they mean.

It becomes a bit of what do they actually mean and who is it aimed at ?

For me anyway

I was invited for a routine smear recently. The leaflet that arrived with the letter was 12 pages long and the word 'woman' didn't appear until page 10, and it was only in a graphic, not the text. I need to challenge it.

Transmen know they have female anatomy (probably acutely aware in fact) so why the rest of us - the 99.9% of us who are not trans - need to be written out baffles me. I'm offended that as a woman I'm not important enough to be mentioned in a women-only vital health procedure.

And I know the English language well. What about women who don't have a good knowledge of their own anatomy and/or don't have English as a first language and/or are not well educated/read easily? If it's supposed to be inclusive why would they exclude so many women?