People with periods

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I follow 'The Eve Appeal' on fb and noticed that they seem to be avoiding the word 'woman' in their campaigns. Example in attached pictures 'How do we support everyone with a cervix to get screened?', wouldn't it be easier 'How do we support women to get cervical screening'?? My daughter has a cervix, but at the age of 2 I'm sure she doesn't need screening. Another one 'Some people experience (...) a degree of spotting between periods'. I'm confused how a charity for women's cancers is not using the word 'woman' anymore. You could argue some women had their cervix removed an don't need the screening, but I've not seen 'People with testicles, make sure to check them', even though some men might not have their testicles intact. AIBU to feel a little irritated by this.

rum I don't have a cervix following a preventable hysterectomy after bad smear tests.
And I am aware I don't have one and would be able to cope if they used "women" in their posters .

preventative hysterectomy even.

From the link posted by Raven;

''What is testicular cancer?
Testicular cancer is a type of cancer that only affects men (or a person with male genitalia who may identify as female). ''

Wow I'm truly shocked

We had prostate cancer leaflets and charity collection at work for weeks.

"MEN WE ARE WITH YOU" was in large letters on the leaflets/poster

CovidicusRex

I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of trans men. We all know what they mean.

I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of women, by using the correct terminology. Why do I lose my descriptor just to appease a tiny group of people who are of the same sex as me, female, but want to imagine otherwise.

Thanks megle I have a bad habit of assuming everything in humans is the same as with animals

True that totallyfuckedup

Why is the word woman like the word that should never be spoken.

It’s total bullshit

Why is the word woman like the word that should never be spoken.

It’s should never be spoken unless it’s being claimed by a male for himself.

another one for the inimitable baroness?

astonishingly prostate canncer UK are quite happy to have men all over their site and afaik no one has threatened them on twitter

"Am I at risk of prostate cancer?
In the UK, about 1 in 8 men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer in their lifetime. We don't know exactly what causes prostate cancer but there are some things that may mean you are more likely to get it – these are called risk factors.

There are three main risk factors for getting prostate cancer, which are things you can't change. These are:

getting older – it mainly affects men aged 50 or over
having a family history of prostate cancer
being black.
If you have any of these risk factors or if you have any symptoms, speak to your GP. They can talk to you about your risk, and about the tests that are used to diagnose prostate cancer. You can also get in touch with our Specialist Nurses, who can help you understand your risk of prostate cancer"

prostatecanceruk.org/

no one is whining at them to be "inclusive" or braying " be kiiiiiiiind" at them

This drives me nuts. I recently tried a Saalt cup and checked out their Insta which is full of this BS. And I noticed Bloody Good Period seem to avoid using the word woman as well. It is so annoying when organisations cave to this crap.

What I don't understand is why they don't even use the word female? It covers women, transmen and non-binary females.

It doesn't matter what you identify as.

Men want ‘female’ as well oompa

The recent case about male athletes competing in female races in the US saw the judge require the actual girls to refer to the not actual girls as trans females.

I’m using clear terminology here to aid understanding which is more than Eve are doing.

Yes, female excludes be-penisd ones who must absolutely be centred in everything all the time

Oh ffs! The Eve Appeal seems to have avoided this nonsense before this as well.

Wtf can't they say "women and trans men"? That's clear, right?

Ah Z0rr0 there was a bit of a thing with Bloody Good Period. The spokesperson Gabby (who is also connected to the Vagina Museum) was pretty rude.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3447687-Period-poverty-bleeders

Do we have a list of women's charities/products that peddle this word salad?

It's not factual! Everyone with a cervix doesn't need screening. My six-year-old niece doesn't. My DD won't, when she's born in August. Stupid obfuscation.

I'm going to get on this live chat and correct hem

My DD won't, when she's born in August

So not waiting for the sex to be assigned at birth then?

"How do we support everyone with a cervix to get screened"

By referring to them as women and girls, so those who aren't as far down the pomo rabbit hole as you know that your outreach material applies to them. The ones who are both down the rabbit hole and cervix enabled know perfectly bloody well that the material applies to them even if they have a huff about it.

Thanks @SunsetBeetch that's interesting.

The Brook also had some garbage term like this at a talk they had recently set up explaining periods to young girls.

The assault on women by woke companies is relentless and I am yet to see the same language used in any male campaigns.

The term 'woman' is not ambiguous, not dirty and not offensive yet we are being made to feel like it is.

@CovidicusRex Tue 19-May-20 10:49:23
"I don’t see any harm in trying to be inclusive of trans men. We all know what they mean."

Do you think transmen DON'T know that they're biologically women? Do you think transmen are so stupid they'd ignore a cancer screening aimed at women?

On the other hand, there's far more women in this country for whom English is a second language, and it's entirely possible that they WON'T know that 'people with a cervix' includes them. Don't you think we should be inclusive of these women? Do you see the harm now?

TBH I had a couple of relatives who I'm not sure would have known that they had a cervix, and they're native English speakers. Both have now passed away, but the sense that talking about women's bodies is a bit obscene leaves a lot of women without a good basic grounding in how their own body works and that's exactly why public health campaigns aimed at women must both use the words woman and girl and also go into detail about the relevant organs, because part of what they're doing is serving a public educational function. You can't just assume that your group of mates represent the general level of awareness in terms of this stuff. And that's before you even get to English as a second language and how you need to be extra clear and avoid potentially confusing language when that's a factor.

Do you think transmen DON'T know that they're biologically women? Do you think transmen are so stupid they'd ignore a cancer screening aimed at women?

Well yes in some cases they are.

There was the case of the transmen who have birth to a still born baby because they didnt tell anyone they were female. Told the nurse that they had wet themselves ( was really waters ) no one checked or went against what they actually saw because of having to validate the identity.

It is possible now to change your drs records. So yes should transmen be in absolute denial of reality , having changed their sex markers at the drs then they will not be called fir a smear test.

It's why the altering if records has to stop.

There was also the case of ( I do not remember what say round it was though) either a transman or a transwoman lied about their sex and when their bloods were checked in hospital , they used the ranges for gender stated bit the actual sex and it was very nearly fatal

They absolutely are unwilling to acknowledge the truth in some cases

@WhereYouLeftIt that’s a good point, I hadn’t thought of that. Didn’t think that one through, now that you’ve pointed it out I see that the use of the word woman is essential. Re trans men, i could easily see some being put off by this sort of thing, I vaguely know a few people from that crowd who are extremely fragile about gendered language. Didn’t realise until very recently when it came up in conversation.