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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

#GlinnerIsABigot

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notmrpootles · 03/05/2020 19:11

Trending tonight amongst the mad folk.

twitter.com/search?q=%23GlinnerIsABigot&src=trend_click

Is Harrop a practising doctor? Worried for whoever has him as their locum.

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flomary63 · 04/05/2020 10:35

I agree. He can be quite petulant. I don't think he will win as many people over as he thinks (despite his large following) because he does not come across well on social media. I am gutted at Jon Ronson, but he conducts himself very well on social media, and if I had no idea about these issues, I would be much more inclined to listen to him over Graham. I've just looked again, and despite going to sleep at 3am, he has been up for the past hour tweeting. Twitter/social media is known to be addictive. He denies having a twitter addiction (on a podcast I listened to). I know I don't know him but - he very clearly does. If you're reading this Graham, PLEASE take a break.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2020 10:41

If you look at Glinner's timeline, fully of ridiculous furry art, do they honestly think that's going to win over anyone who's not already on Team Wanking To Sexualized Plushy Toys?

They have no self awareness whatsoever.

flomary63 · 04/05/2020 11:13

I don't understand what furrys are

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/05/2020 11:14

Trust me, you'll be happier not knowing!

flomary63 · 04/05/2020 11:35

You're probably right!

Michelleoftheresistance · 04/05/2020 11:42

I'm always wary of falling into the 'people with GC views must be perfect and you must agree 100% with what they say and do at all times or they're invalid' thing.

That comes from the political lobby in question, who are famously black/white thinkers, and have appropriated the whole male position of 'male people can behave how they want up to and including significant dodginess in personal life, criminal history and evident insanity and still be taken seriously/ get invited to give evidence to govt committees' while allocating the GC position the good old stereotypical female role of 'anything you say will be listened to only after thorough and prior judging of hair/clothes/age/ and extreme behavioural standards where crimes may include you looked sideways at x/ you were breathing wrong to decide your validity'.

Male supremacism. It always is. #fuckthat

AnotherLass · 04/05/2020 12:01

I am eternally grateful to Graham for what he has done on this, and I think that he is a very good bloke.

However, I'm afraid that I agree with those who say that he is coming across very badly on twitter, and I wish he'd stop at this point. The long form things he has written on this are much better - calm and reasoned. But on Twitter he often comes across as petulant, self-righteous and hysterical.

He frequently says things about people who disagree with him like "so these people don't think that women are human". He himself has noted that extreme language is a problem. And this isn't extreme language? I don't think that anything good ever comes of accusing people of not viewing others as human. It doesn't seem that different to me from the TRAs saying "you're denying our right to exist!!!"

The problem is that, as Graham has admitted himself, he has a temper. And it doesn't interact hugely well with twitter. I wish he'd switch to a different medium.

RoyalCorgi · 04/05/2020 12:13

I hope that wasn't meant for me. I certainly don't think he is a misogynist.

I hadn't even read your post when I wrote mine.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 04/05/2020 12:26

Graham is one of the good ones regardless of the occasional blip. I'm going to repeat what Michelleoftheresistance said up there as she nails it:

I'm always wary of falling into the 'people with GC views must be perfect and you must agree 100% with what they say and do at all times or they're invalid' thing.

That comes from the political lobby in question, who are famously black/white thinkers, and have appropriated the whole male position of 'male people can behave how they want up to and including significant dodginess in personal life, criminal history and evident insanity and still be taken seriously/ get invited to give evidence to govt committees' while allocating the GC position the good old stereotypical female role of 'anything you say will be listened to only after thorough and prior judging of hair/clothes/age/ and extreme behavioural standards where crimes may include you looked sideways at x/ you were breathing wrong to decide your validity

Male supremacism. It always is. #fuckthat

Winesalot · 04/05/2020 12:28

And we are on.... screen grabs already.

twitter.com/ChristineH_2017/status/1257250858649169921?s=20

Of course, no other posts have been added to give the full story. Funny that....

truthisarevolutionaryact · 04/05/2020 12:33

Winesalot
And from a poster new to Mumsnet today as well . What a surprise!

NoomyChops · 04/05/2020 12:51

That comes from the political lobby in question, who are famously black/white thinkers, and have appropriated the whole male position of 'male people can behave how they want up to and including significant dodginess in personal life, criminal history and evident insanity and still be taken seriously/ get invited to give evidence to govt committees' while allocating the GC position the good old stereotypical female role of 'anything you say will be listened to only after thorough and prior judging of hair/clothes/age/ and extreme behavioural standards where crimes may include you looked sideways at x/ you were breathing wrong to decide your validity'

Ruddy good point.

WillyWaver · 04/05/2020 12:53

That is a ruddy good point! Completely agree with Michelle.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 04/05/2020 13:16

The best thing TRAs could do in the current climate is either a) draw attention to a person whose timeline is awash with refutations of every single TRA argument including Jessica Yaniv and Karen White or b) don't do that.

Grin

Take heart, Glinner, I hope you are okay. Can't be easy to be so relentlessly targeted and bullied.

GivesNoFox · 04/05/2020 13:35

Honestly, can't stand Grace Petrie and her 'woke' arse gravy. She has fully jumped on the TRA train and is happy to throw homosexual rights under the train in favour of gender ideology. Part of me truly feels that she doesn't believe half the things she promotes as when she gets questioned on these beliefs she has a tendency of not answering directly and uses a lot of deflection and round about answers.

She wants to score points with the woke crowd for whatever reason, maybe she thinks it can further her career or make connections? She isn't really a mainstream name after all.

Hey ho, its 2020 and a straight man has more of a fundamental understanding of homosexuality than a lesbian folk singer. Sad times.

testing987654321 · 04/05/2020 14:02

And we are on.... screen grabs already.

So what? Graham makes his own points, we make ours. And this isn't a hate forum.

I probably agree with some people on here some of the time. I definitely agree that being a woman is a physical reality and only women can be lesbians.

This is such obvious common sense that it crosses all political parties, all religions, any other beliefs.

Strangerthantruth · 04/05/2020 14:12

Glinner applies the same standards to TRA and woke followers behaviour as Magdelen Burns did, that's all. He seems pretty resilient. He is writing a musical. Some people are higher energy than others, doesn't mean they are ill or need telling to have a lie down.

Thelnebriati · 04/05/2020 14:23

''hate forum''
Amazing how many people hate women having the freedom to talk.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/05/2020 14:24

Women talking to each other is very upsetting!

littlbrowndog · 04/05/2020 14:37

Am blocked off that ChristineH twitter. I don’t even know who it is.

Weird.

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 14:42

As someone who has been extensively gaslighted in real life and by some posters here sometimes I would like to make a comment about posters advising Glinner to back off of twitter. Also about TRAs posting screenshots of these advisory posts.

When I started to post about Aristasia I got exactly the same treatment from some posters. People claiming that I wasn’t well and the I needed help from mental health professionals. Thankfully some very kind posters stepped in and were supportive, which meant a lot to me and I would like to do the same for Glinner now

I do not know Graham / Glinner personally. I just do not have time to follow Glinner’s or other people’s social media accounts, no matter how much I might appreciate them. I do not expect perfection from myself or from anyone else. While I have very much appreciated many GC battles Glinner has fought, he may very well have said somethings sometime I do not agree with or find offensive. He might not, but if he has I can accept that I do not need to agree with everything a person says or does in order to be an ally with them in the battles that count.

One thing that Glinner said really rang true for me re gaslighting. It was along the lines that the truth of the situation is so terrible, so bizarre and so incredible that if you try to explain the situation to other people they just assume you must be insane. "Welcome to my world," was what I thought at the time.

I recently viewed a video by a doctor working on the front line with covid patients in the US. The doctor is a hero. His name is Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell.

I have watched all the videos on his youtube channel and one of the things I noticed was that he has lost weight and appeared scruffier and sleep deprived as his videos are uploaded. This is unsurprising of course. A doctor working on the front line works and sleeps and doesn’t have much time to eat, sleep or attend to personal grooming.

Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell is clearly a highly intelligent and articulate man, but he is also sleep deprived and putting the battle against covid ahead of his personal needs.

I would like to draw the attention of readers to this video of Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell

In the video he appears sleep deprived and unshaven. He talks very quickly and in a manner that could be misinterpreted as something called “pressure of speech” - a kind of rapid pattern of speech associated with certain serious types of mental illness.

Of course the doctor is not mentally ill. He is tired and attempting to convey a large amount of detailed information as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The doctor also rapidly shifts between different tangential subjects. This could be misdiagnosed as something called “flight of ideas”, another way of communicating that is considered to be indicative of serious mental illness. Of course the doctor is not mentally ill.. Hie is a highly intelligent man, working flat out and attempting to convey important, complex, tangential issues as quickly and efficiently as possible.

If Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell reads my post I hope he will forgive me for making use of his video to illustrate an important point.

My point is that brave, determined, caring people who step up to the plate and fight battles that others are either too frighted to to fight or lack the skills and abilities to fight, can easily end up tired, end up looking dishevelled, and end up talking quickly and tangentially linking complex issues beyonnd the ken of others.

Sometimes people sound mad because they are mad, but when the world has gone mad and the masses are complying with cult like activities and behaviours it is the sane people, the true fighters, who can end up looking mad to the masses.

So more power to you Graham

All the best, take a break if you would like to, not because you are mad, you are not, you are a valuable sane voice in a sea of insanity. Take a rest, when the time is right, because you deserve it and nobody has infinitely broad shoulders.

Until that time you just keep on doing what you're doing. You are very much appreciated

hoodathunkit · 04/05/2020 14:48

Also, and this is important, when people stoop so low as to gaslight you and question your mental health you know that you've really upset their little applecart.

It is actually a sign that you're doing some things right.

GlinnerIsABidet · 04/05/2020 15:06

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/05/2020 15:10

(Points up)

Rather than reporting Bidet's lovely comment I suggest that everyone let it stand as a perfect illustration of the kind of people we're dealing with.

Helmetbymidnight · 04/05/2020 15:15

now that IS someone with major issues going on.

a break from the internet might help YOU, bidet. youre not coming across as quite well.

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