Why all the upset on Twitter (jameela?)

[Sittinonthefloor]

Seeing lots of upset posts from women I follow on twitter, something to do with jameela. I don’t really know who j is - I know she said she’d bought the book about women being blamed for everything (I follow the fab author but can’t remember her name). But what has happened to cause so much upset?

She's extremely woke. The other day she called for the 'subgroups of feminism' to talk to one another but is clear she thinks only one set of opinions is valid.

Sadly there are many [subgroups]. Those who exclude POC. Those who exclude disability. Those who exclude fat women. Those who exclude trans. Those who exclude sex workers. Those who exclude lgbtq+. Devastating and Ideal conditions for the patriarchy to continue to reign.

It’s the sort of mess that cannot be sorted out via us just not talking to each other any more. We need allies for each sub group to fight for the equal rights of the groups being excluded. We need discourse and education. We cannot change what we cannot see, hear and understand.

I'm not sure there are branches of feminism that exclude people based on weight, sexual orientation, disability or race. Also, opposition to prostitution is not 'excluding sex workers'. That's all a distraction from the main issue - males who identify as women.

She’s a woke moral gatekeeper, and seems very fond of ‘calling people out’.
I get the impression she keeps her keyboard close at hand so if someone steps a foot out of the woke line she can take straight to Twitter.

Bless her, I don’t know if she’s naively woke, jumping on the latest injustice bandwagon like a teenager who goes vegan for a week, or whether it’s self-promotion. But in putting herself out there as some kind of moral authority, she finds herself trapped in a purity spiral and keeps having to come back to things in her own life, whether it’s race, health issues or being queer to defend what she’s said.

My advice would be to do her homework and get her thoughts straight before coming out with her this-week version of feminism/activism.... or maybe just to avoid Twitter generally and stick to acting?

It’s a shame as I used to really love her

She is fantastic in the Good Place but now she seems to be jumping on the bandwagon to keep popular

She thinks trans women are women.

I don't think that OP is really asking about Jameela but why all the GC feminists are shouting at each other on twitter.

There's already a thread on it

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3894510-Julie-Bindel-on-twitter

Basically that book she bought was written by a woman who is gender critical.
Except jameela didn't realise this so she first posted a photo of the book and was so excited to read it. Someone then joked that they were awaiting for jameela to delete the post once she's cottoned on to the fact the author is gender critical and sure enough a few hours later she did.
She doesn't know her own mind basically

She is a bit daft. So desperate to appeal to the rainbow family but no one has explained the rules to her.

Thinks she knows best and is every so knowledgeable - so when she tweets something that gets her ‘friends’ upset, or if she is called out and gets a twitter-slap, she ends up crying, blaming some trauma or past ailment, then takes a break.

She pretty much looks down on women - her feminism centres ‘feeling’ not biology. She announced she was - what was it ‘queer’ - because she got a tv job that others decided should go to a rainbow person - her ‘friends’ were pretty much demanding she got the sack. She is in a long term relationship with a man and presents as very feminine. So ‘queer’ how..?

Thank you for the link another, that is indeed what I was asking about! It does all sound a bit silly, hope GC people aren’t about to enter a purity spiral. If that is spinning next to the TRA purity spiral there might be some sort weird effect!

Is jameela just a pontificating sleb? Is she a blogger?

I saw some of what was happening on Twitter but missed a fair bit. This blog post explained it really well.

lydialambfruit.com/blog/post/319/gender-critical-or-jameela-critical/

Sorry I don't think it's clicky. There was also a furore about anonymous accounts.

I know she said she’d bought the book about women being blamed for everything (I follow the fab author but can’t remember her name)

Dr Jessica Taylor has published 'Why Women are Blamed for Everything

She was interviewed recently about her work on Woman's Hour:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3888649-Dr-Jesicca-Taylor-on-R4-Womans-Hour-today-discussing-her-new-book-Why-Women-Are-Blamed-For-Everything-Exploring-Victim-Blaming-Of-Women-Subjected-to-Violence-and-Trauma

Yesterday Jessica Taylor tweeted:

"I’ve written a thing about all the shit cracking off around me in our feminism.

A thread.

Each tweet is one page.

Sorry it’s long, I tried to make a video but I’m so exhausted."
twitter.com/DrJessTaylor/status/1256674979984429061

I dislike the complete writing off of Jameela Jamil.

She has had valuable feminist impact on younger women, being prepared to speak up about body shaming and sexism in the media.

Just because someone has repugnant views on some issues doesn’t mean that everything they say is useless.

It looks like TRAs have latched onto this and are using it to make GC people like bad... they don't mention that they also laid into Jameela for promoting the wrong kind of feminist.

Sadly there are many [subgroups]. Those who exclude POC. Those who exclude disability. Those who exclude fat women. Those who exclude trans. Those who exclude sex workers.

I would love to pin someone like Jameela down on these issues. Which specific feminist groups exclude 'fat women' or 'POC'? I think this is the kind of sentence that gets thrown around and has no substance behind it.

Yes, women in the BAME community don't get enough of a spotlight or support/understanding of their specific issues. Yes, many overweight women are treated terribly by society and are disadvantaged in certain ways.

But what she's really trying to say is 'some women aren't putting trans women at the heart of their feminism,' isn't she? The rest is all smoke and mirrors to disguise the fact she wants to put men first.

She's a massive pia and wish everyone would ignore her so she eventually shuts up. She thinks she's very important and very clever.

She came out as 'queer' whatever the hell that means. Still going out with a bloke though, so about as 'queer' as my 80+ married parents.

Thinks trans women are women so obviously deluded.

I can't wait for her to get pregnant.

She did a video for 'trans' kids the other day and Mermaids went to town. They love her.

She's an idiot and Twitter is toxic and often far less important than it thinks it is.

Whilst all this purity scrapping was going on a teenage school girl made a challenge to the CPS and made them stand down their outrageous guidance that threatened schoolgirls everywhere.

This is real life activism and it's more useful than any amount long winded pontificating on twitter.

Social media is always going to cultivate drama and infighting but in the meantime a lot of people are slogging away at a grassroots level and we are starting to see the results of that.

Jameela, to me, comes across as someone totally desperate for attention and popularity, is fickle and very easily led.
It is a concerning that she is listened to by young, impressionable people. However I don't believe she's in anyway a bad person, daft yes, someone who exaggerates, also yes, someone who will say anything to make her feel relevant, also yes.

I believe that she's not given this as much thought at all, it's the Cause De Jour and she's jumped on the bandwagon with both feet.

I've tried to read some of her output but just find myself wanting to give her a hug and send her to her room with a good feminist book.

She just seems so bewildered.

Whilst all this purity scrapping was going on a teenage school girl made a challenge to the CPS and made them stand down their outrageous guidance that threatened schoolgirls everywhere.

Thank goodness for this. It gives me a lot of hope for the future.

I know a lot of feminists don't like her because of her stance on trans issues but the stuff she posts on body positivity is brilliant. She's called out the Kardashians for promoting dangerous diet products. She's also talked about how she was overweight when she was younger and her very serious health issues were dismissed because of her weight. I've listened to her on a few podcasts and found her very likeable.

Whilst all this purity scrapping was going on a teenage school girl made a challenge to the CPS and made them stand down their outrageous guidance that threatened schoolgirls everywhere. This is real life activism and it's more useful than any amount long winded pontificating on twitter.

There's a genuine heroine and someone worth celebrating. Here are a couple of threads that have been discussing her CPS case:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3895832-CPS-has-withdrawn-Hate-Crime-guidance-for-schools-this-afternoon
and
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3897095-Times-article-on-the-CPS-guidance-withdrawl

She said that about subgroups?! Wow.

Men are not a sub group of women