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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Baroness Nicholson on twitter

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Winesalot · 01/05/2020 23:27

I have been lurking on twitter lately and noticed Baroness Nicholson has been very active recently. Amongst her tweets are quite a few gems - letters to Liz Truss, tweets asking for evidence about Stonewall’s involvement CPS guidance just to name two.

This tweet I found very encouraging too.

It is imperative to restore the rights of women.I foresee a single issue, cluster approach;we make a new Women’s Rights movement lasting one year,solely to rescue womanhood from its destruction through today’s legal and social denial of our existence.Emma,BNoW

She has today written to Liz Truss again but this time with her concerns about the gross misinterpretation of the ECHR in the trans toolkits used in schools and recommends that such toolkits are removed from use now. Such support is great news.

twitter.com/baroness_nichol/status/1256326753850556418?s=21

I will try to post the letter for those not on twitter.

I look forward to seeing what what happens next.

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Dances · 24/05/2020 05:30

Have M&S profits been announced recently? I have not shopped there for months, due to the changing room policy and I'm not alone.

Goopamz · 24/05/2020 08:58

careers.marksandspencer.com/inside-mands/how-one-colleague-has-helped-make-m%26s-more-inclusive

Unique supports Trans* people, from just-left-the-closet cross-dressers to transsexuals following Gender Reassignment Surgery (taken from unique website).

Its not an accident crossdressers use the womens changing rooms. They have been actively encouraging them

happydappy2 · 24/05/2020 09:13

OMG that article-very worrying-would M&S employ a TW in the womens lingerie department? Grosse

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/05/2020 09:15

would M&S employ a TW in the womens lingerie department

They do.

littlbrowndog · 24/05/2020 09:17

Yeah bu5 they never address the point that women don’t always go in changing rooms on their own

We take our kids and their buggys and a toddler or two and we can’t shut the door.

I don’t want somebody’s sexual identity to be put above my privacy

I don’t mind other women seeing me. I do really really not want a strange guy seeing me however he identifies

Winesalot · 24/05/2020 09:23

They always forget that littlebrowndog. Hard to fit a stroller into a cubicle and still change. But then generalizing, I guess not many TW would have had that experience or had to support a mum who has.

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Needmoresleep · 24/05/2020 09:28

That is jaw dropping. No mention of sensitivity to the needs of other customers.

I took my DM, aged 85 and suffering from dementia into a branch M&S to be fitted for new bras, to replace serious threadbare saggy ones dating back to the days she could shop for herself. It was quite a difficult outing that required some planning around parking and access, and ensuring that DM felt safe and confident at all times. My DM was semi aware of her dementia, and retained her self pride, so it was crucial she was treated with respect and did not feel embarrassed.

The assistant was amazing. My mum was a life long M&S customer and they really repaid her loyalty.

It would have been very difficult had the self ID policies been in force at this point. Indeed I don’t think I would attempt such a mission now. (In any event I bought a ‘lifetime supply’ of underwear that did my mum till she passed away.)

I am not convinced by the ‘cubicle’ argument. We needed a large curtained area which would fit me, my less than mobile mum, and the fitter. I assume even more space would have been needed had my mother been in a wheelchair.

OhHolyJesus · 24/05/2020 09:35

Itsallgoingtobefine

Indeed they do. Oxford St lingerie dept. Could do a bra fitting. Not mine. I walked out.

Pertella · 24/05/2020 09:35

We take our kids and their buggys and a toddler or two and we can’t shut the door.

I've had to do similar in public toilets - had to pull the buggy in so DS was facing me and the back of the buggy was high enough to give me a bit of privacy to have a quick wee.

When DS was a bit older and walking he would come in the cubicle with me and it took him about 10 seconds to work out how to unlock them Hmm

Lordfrontpaw · 24/05/2020 09:35

My sister has creeping fucking dementia (good days, not so good days) and is going blind. I pointed this out to JL and asked them if it was appropriate for her to be in a mixed sex changing room where she would be/feel vulnerable.

Pretty much told that the feelings of males who wanted to use the changing rooms in the women’s clothes/knickers dept trumped that.

littlbrowndog · 24/05/2020 09:35

Me neither needmoresleep

What about if a vulnerable girl wants her mum in with her for bra fitting so she is not alone

There’s loads of reasons for single sex changing room

Why did have to change just because somebody had a sexual identity whatever the heck that is

littlbrowndog · 24/05/2020 09:37

Same in toilets pertella. Then they start flipping the sanitary towel lid. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Lordfrontpaw · 24/05/2020 09:37

Oh and there are definitely cubicles with curtains for disability/pram access.

Lordfrontpaw · 24/05/2020 09:40

Wouldn’t it just be wonderful if they rolled back this and went back to single sex. If they stamped on the reviews from men getting their kicks. If they took on a pet charity that was for - I dunno a ‘clean’ kids charity, for the elderly or one for women for a change. One that wasn’t ‘incloosive’ or got you brownie points from a lobby group.

Lamahaha · 24/05/2020 09:44

DM comments are gold! Now the boycott is getting sunlight -- plus exposure regarding M&S wards.

happydappy2 · 24/05/2020 09:48

What’s so illuminating is Joss Prior tweeting ‘I’ll still use the ladies changing room-how are you going to stop me-you can’t police it’ well actually yes we can. If M&S have a clear single sex policy for changing rooms, whilst also offering a mixed sex area for those that require it, eg a husband assisting his wife with demtentia, if any women notice a man in the changing rooms they can ask for him to be removed-we recognise males in our spaces and TW are deluded if they don’t understand this.

littlbrowndog · 24/05/2020 09:50

Toddlers love the curtains. They can run in and out of them. Wrap them round themselves.

I wouldn’t really care as long as there was no guys there and I includ3 in that the guys with a sexual identity

Gncq · 24/05/2020 09:52

mobile.twitter.com/worriedmumofone/status/1264316614637498372

Emma Palermo has "Atted" The Baroness with a link to a fetish forum that covers M&S lingerie and changing rooms.

If she checks her Twitter she'll get it.

littlbrowndog · 24/05/2020 09:56

Yeah I seen that gncq

Why do guys get a thrill out of that. ?

I don’t get a thrill out of wearing boxer shorts.

And I don’t want to have somebody getting a thrill out of that being in same changing room as me

Winesalot · 24/05/2020 10:01

I read that a transman was upset that females wore boxers. That is took some of the specialness of wearing males underwear away. My eyes rolled out of my head.

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NonnyMouse1337 · 24/05/2020 10:12

Ha! They expect everyone to conform to rigid gender stereotypes just so they can swan around saying how amazing they are for jumping from one stereotype to another. It's like it has never occurred to them that humans can wear what they like and not pay attention to arbitrary 'rules'. 😂

Datun · 24/05/2020 10:43

Do these sales assistants really not care that they are participating in a man's fetish, per that websife? I wonder if they feel sorry for them and don't realise.

Either way, the shop should not be allowing it. They are knowingly getting their staff to be used as sexual props.

If males want to buy these items, they should be trying them on in the men's section or unisex. If they need help, they could have a man help them.

It won't stop them buying underwear that they want, but it would at least prevent them from inflicting their fantasy on others. I imagine that the experience would be over and done with much quicker as a result.

teawamutu · 24/05/2020 10:51

I think BN was being clever when she described Archie Norman's letter so positively: she keeps the motivation for him to engage positively with her alive, makes it public so he can't wriggle off the hook, and gives everyone else a chance to provide the evidence in full view.

I could be wrong and she's genuinely been hoodwinked, but having followed her for a while it doesn't seem likely.

Gncq · 24/05/2020 10:52

Why do guys get a thrill out of that. ?

I don’t get a thrill out of wearing boxer shorts

Well, I suppose feminists (2nd wave) have often critiqued lingerie as being designed to titillate men.

Lordfrontpaw · 24/05/2020 10:53

Once they don’t get the thrill of it being ‘naughty’ then what will they do?

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