So cancer treatments and other serious procedures are cancelled but nurses are still going into people's houses to give injections to trans kids?

[Mrskeats]

As the title says.
How can this be right given what's happening?
I know it's happening from personal experience.
The case I know about included a nurse coming into the home that has another shielded person in it.
Flabbergasted really.

No treatments that are necessary should be stopped including cancer. I agree on that score but trying to make out trans people are less deserving or should be exempt from treatment is absurd and you clearly know nothing.

It's not treatment, and it's sure as hell not necessary. You know what's absurd? That the NHS spends any money on hormones and cosmetic surgery when mental health is so woefully underfunded.
How fucked up are things that a young autistic person can find it easier to recieve unnecessary hormones than to recieve much needed support for their autism and their mental health 😡

The case I know about included a nurse coming into the home that has another shielded person in it

What point are you making here? Presumably during the visit the shielded person should stay in another room and have no contact with the nurse. I wasn't aware the virus can penetrate walls and doors.

I know the other person was in the room at the time
That's by the by though really.
I was mostly just shocked that this 'treatment' was continuing given people's treatment for life-threatening conditions has been halted (at least for now)
World has gone mad. Another injection booked for 2 weeks' time.

On another note a friend has had her ivf appointment cancelled-which she has waited 18 months for. So sad.
I am probably venting as all this seems so unfair.

Well let's hope all goes ok. Whatever we think of the treatment being given to someone so young and what that will mean for the kid, I hope that there is now staff on hand to deal with any complications etc

That's the worry given they dont seem to acknowledge the seriousness of the so called treatment

What point are you making here? Presumably during the visit the shielded person should stay in another room and have no contact with the nurse. I wasn't aware the virus can penetrate walls and doors.

Are people really this dumb? The shielded person doesn't need to have contact with the nurse, the other person in the household doing so is enough. Because there's no way to avoid the shielded person having contact with the other person who lives in the household is there?

If someone is on testosterone, you can't just stop it - that would be highly dangerous, whatever the reason they are being given it.

I've said it before on here and I will say it again - cancer treatment has not stopped - chemo and radiotherapy are continuing. Elective surgery has stopped for now as the original estimate of COVID patient numbers would have overwhelmed the NHS and, (and this is really important) information from other countries strongly suggested that catching COVID after surgery was high risk. Emergency surgery is still happening, including for cancer.

given people's treatment for life-threatening conditions has been halted (at least for now)

This is not accurate. Some treatments have been modified or delayed (pending transfer to a ‘clean’ hub). My treatment, and that of thousands of others, is continuing unaffected.

Those whose plans have had to change should have been fully informed about the risk/benefit that led to that. It is never coming down to availability of a nurse to do a domiciliary visit

It is tough, very tough, when hoped for treatments are rescheduled (especially things like IVF when you just feel the lock ticking). But that is no reason to cancel other treatments which are currently underway and which have a different risk/benefit for delivery in pandemic times

How can this be funded when mental health services are so woefully underfunded? Maybe if they weren't we wouldn't be in this position.
I do not consider this treatment. I consider it state sanctioned child abuse.
Yes people are this dumb Jan

I agree with you keats this is not treatment. And having it declassified as a mental illness was a huge mistake. It's not like counselling would actually harm anyone if they had it apparently unnecessarily is it. And would they have even received any kind of physical examination ro make sure they are otherwise healthy enough for the injection given drs are shut for the most part? Amd what happened to apparently having the option to freeze eggs etc in case they wanted kids further down the line.

All a bit rushed isnt it.

Yep. Also she had to have a bone scan (more money) which showed bone loss. Carrying on regardless though.

Also she had to have a bone scan (more money) which showed bone loss. Carrying on regardless though.

What was the point of the bone scan if they were going to continue witht the treatment regardless? Is she part of a research project?

Unfortunately drs have the same training for this stuff as everywhere else does. We know where this comes from.

The NHS has been under funded for years. I dont think.its helpful to be angry at individuals receiving treatment must because others cant access it. This kinda thing isnt the first ir last time this has happened. Medicine has been one scandal after another in that sense. I think we need to be more angry at the peope deliberately manipulating the situation
Going after organisations or getting them stripped of funding and generally making them.afraid of being able to do what they feel is right for the patient and having to push down an untried and untested path.

Somehow they dont seen to be willing to fundraise and set up clinics to deal with fertility issues and bone problems etc

These kids are left high and dry once and it's on to the next one

Are people really this dumb? The shielded person doesn't need to have contact with the nurse, the other person in the household doing so is enough. Because there's no way to avoid the shielded person having contact with the other person who lives in the household is there?

The information supplied to shielded persons gives instructions that the shielded person should avoid having contact with other members of the household and gives examples of how to do this. So your comment "no way to avoid..." is wrong.

No apparently it's become standard for girls taking testosterone through the Tavistock in Leeds who did the scan.
Seems to be no point if they just can carry on.

mrskeats

I think I remember a dr posting on twitter about bone loss.

If I remember correctly and i cant be sure o do , but they may he scanning the bones so that they have measurements, because measurements from children undergoing this treatment were to be included in the data so their bone density appears on the ranges of that makes sense. So it will appear kids are on the lower end of normal as opposed to being off the scale of an average child. Of that makes any sense

That may be partly why they scanned

Sarah yes probably true. Not to mention the effects on the brain, no sex drive, infertility etc. It's incredible really.
Tavistock don't mention half of this to kids though.

I just noticed the comment on egg freezing-that's not been offered. Too late now though.

Testosterone can all cause depression. What follow up have they been given to access should that be the case ?

No mental health support currently. As soon as Camhs hear gender issues they are passed on.

One can only assume given the rush job that they accessed thr "online coaching" of what to say/do to get this result.

One wonders how this squares up in lockdown in the safe little bubble of family support and validation. They might all be in fir a bit of a shock after.

autistic children who threaten to kill themselves, indeed have been found actively in the process do not get support from Caamhs.

I have a skin cancer which flared up back in February. It is only half the size of a 1p piece, but the original consultant said to contact him ASAP if it flared up. Unfortunately he works for a different NHS trust nowadays.
So, back in Feb I was triaged by a receptionist, got to see the GP (not my usual one) who said it was nothing to worry about. I arguded so he referred me to a clinic where I was triaged, by a nurse who took a piccy of it and forwarded it to a consultant.
I then received an appointment for early April (after the lockdown) which was subsequently cancelled, because they are no longer doing face to face appointments.
The clinic phoned ma again this morning, asking me if I could send another piccy of the offending blob, so they can reassess.
Basically they are putting people off - well some people.

"If someone is on testosterone, you can't just stop it - that would be highly dangerous, whatever the reason they are being given it."

Really????
Didn't seem to stop Freddy stopping their "T" treatment so they could get pregnant and have a baby, did it?

Good point andy
See Freddy has lost the case this morning.