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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

More police action over "non crimes"

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ProfessorSlocombe · 28/04/2020 15:44

Not directly anything to do with FWR (although there are probably a shed load of doctorates about the social implications of plague treatments and women). But fans of Humberside police will be interested to see that Norfok police are now keeping up the fight against non-crime that threatens to overwhelm us.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-52456180

does this sound vaguely familiar ?

They said no offence had been committed, but officers were "keen to trace the individual in order to provide words of advice about the implications of his actions on the local community".

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RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 28/04/2020 20:11

I am not going to check your theory out goose

Clown comes near me and I’m moving rapidly in the opposite direction

And plague doctor to be fair, i read a book about a plague doctor killer once

DidoLamenting · 28/04/2020 20:17

Out of curiosity, why young and white men? Do (for example) middle aged East Asian men never have odd sexual tastes?

Well quite. Rotherham perhaps.

And the comparison to burkas is quite obviously to another full body and face covering garment.

RuffleCrow · 28/04/2020 20:18

Mumsnet Feminism c 2020 = apparently the right of men to to go around in 17th Century costume scaring the life out of any woman who might fancy a stroll in the park in the middle of a pandemic. Nice work.

RuffleCrow · 28/04/2020 20:21

There's simply no comparison @DidoLamenting it's the 'bird face' part of the costume that's intimidating. Quite obviously. Anyway you carry on doing your 'feminism' which is essentially MRA-ing from your comfortable position of knowing this guy lives nowhere near you.

DidoLamenting · 28/04/2020 20:22

And you carry on with your own racist assumptions.

Goosefoot · 28/04/2020 20:25

Are bird masks not ok then?

In any case, just because a costume is scary doesn't make it illegal. People wear all kinds of costumes intended to be scary.

RuffleCrow · 28/04/2020 20:29

So I'm a white person being racist towards white other people, apparently Hmm and you're a 'feminist' defending the right of men to dress in an intimidating way, in an area where local women like myself may decide to get our one bit of daily excercise? You could have just said "i'm alright, Jack!" and saved me the bother. Hmm

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 28/04/2020 20:32

apparently the right of men to to go around in 17th Century costume scaring the life out of any woman who might fancy a stroll in the park in the middle of a pandemic

Has anyone actually said that men have the right to do this And they think its ok?

donquixotedelamancha · 28/04/2020 20:32

Several centuries of colonial rule would seem to indicate otherwise

Presumably Mongolians, Persians, Spaniards and Italians are awful but white people who's ancestors are from Lithuania are lovely?

I doubt anyone on FWR is unaware of the structural advantages possessed by certain groups in a society most of us would wish to radically alter. There is a world of difference between class analysis and deciding an individual doing something you consider antisocial must have a certain skin colour.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 28/04/2020 20:32

dido isnt a feminist

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 28/04/2020 20:33

Sorry for speaking for you dido

I know you are more than capable

RuffleCrow · 28/04/2020 20:33

It's "ok" in this weird mn 'feminist' rabbit hole, @Goosefoot, but thankfully men behaving in an intimidating way, bird mask or otherwise, is rightly challenged in the real world.

ElizaCrouch · 28/04/2020 20:38

and you're a 'feminist' defending the right of men to dress in an intimidating way, in an area where local women like myself may decide to get our one bit of daily excercise? You could have just said "i'm alright, Jack!" and saved me the bother.

I don't have a problem with people wearing a bird mask if they want to. And bird mask person is not breaking any laws.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 28/04/2020 20:41

It's "ok" in this weird mn 'feminist' rabbit hole

I don’t think anyone has said its ok or ‘ok’

Just that its not against the law

Goosefoot · 28/04/2020 20:44

You don't even know if this person is a man. I don't think it is intimidating to wear a costume like that. In fact it appeals quite a lot to my sense of humour. I realise that tends to be quite dark, and not everyone shares it, which is fine.

But it's still not police business.

Gingerkittykat · 28/04/2020 21:08

I'm surprised this would not fall under breach of the peace since the man wearing the suit would be aware that it would be likely to cause fear, alarm and distress to a significant number of people.

I think that the police going and talking to him is a good idea, it looks like they are doing it informally.

Should they then act if he continues to do it? I'm not sure.

RumbaswithPumbaas · 28/04/2020 21:11

Regardless of the demographic of this person, I’d think it were a curious/eccentric individual who would opt for doing this (rather historically niche and less likely just a bit of fun to cheer up the kids and the housebound oldies).

The one thing I find really scary is gas masks - like Chernobyl or WW1 (anyone comes near me with one of those on and I’m letting the dog on them... she’s very friendly but reassuringly barky in a terrier way)

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 28/04/2020 21:30

I did wonder about breach of the peace ginger

TeiTetua · 29/04/2020 16:27

Just that its not against the law

Well--there is Section 5 of the Public Order Act:
"(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he/she:
(a) uses threatening [or abusive] words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening [or abusive],
within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby."

So if the police wanted to claim that alarm or distress was likely (and some people do seem to have been alarmed and/or distressed, so it's not a crazy suggestion) then they could go after bird-mask-person. Maybe they should.

hoodathunkit · 29/04/2020 18:09

So if the police wanted to claim that alarm or distress was likely (and some people do seem to have been alarmed and/or distressed, so it's not a crazy suggestion) then they could go after bird-mask-person. Maybe they should.

Surely you could use the same argument about a "woman = adult human female" sign or T shirt? Some people claimed that the wording was abusive and the police acted on it in a surreal, Orwellian manner.

I might be offended or distressed by a zillion things, including people with signs / T shirts saying TWAW but I just suck it up and accept that some people believe things I find bizarre and just leave them to get on with it and express my dissent with words rather than by calling the police.

People have a right to tell the plague doctor person that they find his/her costume scary but calling the police over a costume?

A few years back there were some people in Star Wars fancy dress at a local event and a small child got scared and started screaming and crying.

Should the parents call the police?

I ran out of Disney's Snow White when I was scared of the wicked queen as a kid. Should the cops have turned up and shut the cinema down?

Kids get scared of irrational thngs all the time. It's part of being a child. Nobody would wish it on a child but you can't protect children from irrational anxieties by removing the source of their anxiety surely?

hoodathunkit · 29/04/2020 18:11

I am most obviously reminded of this short story

thebaffler.com/stories/disnae-matter

TeiTetua · 29/04/2020 18:54

Eh what, depictions of gratuitous male violence and overuse of the word "cunt"? I'm alarmed, I'm distressed, somebody help me...

hoodathunkit · 30/04/2020 07:59

Eh what, depictions of gratuitous male violence and overuse of the word "cunt"? I'm alarmed, I'm distressed, somebody help me...

The short story is a beautifully observed character depiction, written in the first person, by a man who is coarse, uneducated and impulsively violent. We all know that such men exist yes?

In the same way that a well executed painting conveys immense complexity with just a few brush strokes, this short story conveys a multi-layered exploration of the more brutal elements of this man’s character, whilst also conveying his protective fatherly instincts towards his child, his compassion for an unfortunate man in a bear costume (a man he had previously violently assaulted), and his own perception of his compassionate nature, a perception that is somewhat inflated.

The word “cunt” is liberally used throughout as the piece is written in a (Glaswegian?) vernacular, in a sub-culture where the word is used frequently to convey a range of emotions from contempt to deep affection for a friend. The use of the word anchors the narrator in a specific class, time and place.

This thread reminded me of the story because the story shares a number of central themes with the thread, namely;

  1. that young children are not infrequently frightened by people in fancy dress costumes
  1. parents are, naturally, protective towards their children regardless of the intent of the person in the costume
  1. the person in the costume can suffer punitive consequences due to reactions from those concerned to protect children from people in fancy dress costumes

The story explored the extent to which we should hold an individual person accountable for the distress caused to children and easily frightened people by people wearing fancy dress costumes in public

It also explores the extent to which the people concerned to protect children and easily frightened people from being scared can themselves become oppressive by taking action (or in this case demanding that the police take action)

A person taking action to stop a child being scared in such a situation can subsequently feel remorse when they perceive the person in fancy dress being oppressed, as happens in the short story and may happen here if the person in the plague doctor costume is found to be a woman, a person with Aspergers, or just a well meaning, harmless eccentric who ends up extremely distressed when the police call to “check their thinking”.

It is this last point that is the most interesting to me. A person in a fancy dress costume is the focus for all kinds of projected anxieties and can appear comical or fascinating to one person, monstrous and terrifying to another.

When the mask is removed we see the human being inside, someone who is vulnerable, scared and who needs to pay the rent, just like us. It is when the mask comes off that we can identify the person as a real flesh and blood human being.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 30/04/2020 09:00

I enjoyed it

It reminded me of a video that was on the news a while back where someone (may have been Known to the man in question) jumped out of a dustbin when someone walked past and got lamped...purely reflex

And ive just enjoyed hoodas explanation

HorseRadishFemish · 30/04/2020 09:08

And ive just enjoyed hoodas explanation

Me too.