MNHQ want money from us

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Perhaps now is the time to tell MNHQ what we want from them.

eg
Relaxation of the anti-women censorship rules.
Reinstating banned respected posters like LangCleg.

Which says all sorts of things about the person doing that, none of them flattering.

Exactly. It's one of those things that cannot be sustained without making the perpetrator look bad.

Either @Daten is entirely genuine, in which case they will appreciate the difficulty and name change.

Or they're not and will try and imitate me.

Which should be interesting, especially if they have the opposite opinion than I do to everything 🤣

My first username was a real name and a number. I had a run in with someone on AIBU. A new poster suddenly appeared with exactly the same name and number plus one digit duplicated. MNHQ weren't interested.
Within 24 hours the other poster had posted absolutely foul posts on the bereavement forum- a forum I never look at.

That's disturbing behaviour Dido, horrible that it happened & made worse when your accurate recognition was dismissed.

There's been a widespread failure by online platforms to recognise the more subtle patterns & existence of abusive behaviour.

Coercive Control Conference:
'Trolling and Online Abuse - Is there a difference?'
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1110452108183195649.html

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

OK Datun, how do I do that?

Daten

OK Datun, how do I do that?

Go into settings. I'm not sure you can do it on the mobile site. But you can switch between mobile and desktop by clicking on the link at the very bottom of the page.

If you are on the desktop site, you just go to settings in the top right hand corner, o believe.

And change your username. (I hardly ever do it, so sorry if I'm not particularly clear).

Thanks for understanding

I think it's worth remembering:

The number of uniques to this board is contextually very very low. Advertisers will be far more concerned with losing the millions of others here and elsewhere as a result of being labelled transphobic by a very effective lobby which understands precisely which buttons to press with the general public.

The upshot is that MN doesn't need you. It really has stuck its neck out for ethical, not commercial, reasons.

@VitreousHumour Yes I know, and it is only that fact that makes me consider giving money. But my online security is too important to me.

And one result has been that they went into the covid crisis in an already commercially vulnerable position.

Also I am not a high earner at all. Justine is the majority shareholder and probably spends on take away coffees what I spend on my families food bill.
If rich people on MN want to give that seems more appropriate.

The upshot is that MN doesn't need you. It really has stuck its neck out for ethical, not commercial, reasons.

Times April 2018
'Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts: Transgender activists try to curb free speech on site'
(extract)
“Transgender activists have contacted Mumsnet advertisers and said they will be organising a boycott of their products if they don’t remove their advertising from Mumsnet,” Roberts said.

The website had told the advertisers that it “works hard to keep the discussions civil” and was determined to let them continue.

“What’s worrying to me is the thought-police action around speech and the shutting down of the right to be able to disagree and immediately labelling it as transphobic,” Roberts said.

The threats are the latest move in a campaign by transgender activists to inhibit discussion of potential legal changes that would allow people born male to self-identify as women.

Feminists say the plans threaten women’s rights and protected spaces. Trans activists say that to oppose them is bigotry. They have pressurised dozens of venues into cancelling meetings on the subject.

One meeting that went ahead at the House of Commons led to a complaint to the parliamentary standards commissioner against David Davies, the MP who organised it.

Trans activists bombarded the Commons authorities with demands that the meeting be cancelled with one, Ariel Moss, boasting on Twitter that she “rang them three times today under different voices and phones”.

Sometimes attempts to break up meetings have turned violent. Last week a trans activist, Tara Wolf, was convicted of assaulting a feminist who was attending a rally against the proposals. (continues)

Roberts said no advertiser had yet pulled out. “There is a section of the hardline trans side which thinks that any discussion at all is by definition transphobic, but we’ve explained we’re working very hard to keep it civil,” she said.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-transgender-activists-try-to-curb-free-speech-on-site-z3sr3nf6q?shareToken=b2eb62822dd26aecc0f88653978ed23a

Response from MN members:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3222471-AIBU-to-be-extremely-proud-of-Justine-Roberts-Mumsnet-right-now

Rowantrees, things have moved on somewhat in two years.

It's also unlikely any CEO would want to flag to clients that some of their peers were jumping ship, so I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

things have moved on somewhat in two years.

They have yes, which direction/s are you thinking of though?

Sorry - this: 'Roberts said no advertiser had pulled out.' They have now. (Many had likely done so already at that point. Not vocally, just quietly failing to rebook.

They have now. (Many had likely done so already at that point. Not vocally, just quietly failing to rebook.

I'm aware this has been claimed.

There would of course be a significant financial impact if women were banned from discussing the impact to sex-based rights & children's Safeguarding on a parenting site with majority female members.

There really wouldn't.

Daten tap in the three little lines at the top right in the app, then My Mumsnet, then Change Your Username

There really wouldn't.

You seem very sure.
Awareness of the controlling & coercive behaviour of the "section of the hardline trans side which thinks that any discussion at all is by definition transphobic" has been growing since 2018. So too resistance to demands.

1st May 2019 The National:
'Joanna Cherry accuses Twitter of not doing enough to protect women

"AN SNP MP has accused Twitter of failing to protect women from online abuse.'
(extract)

"The social media giant was earlier today facing questions from Joanna Cherry and other MPs about online conduct and the safety of women as part of the Human Rights Committee at Westminster.

Katy Minshall, head of UK government, public policy and philanthropy for Twitter, was first of all asked by Cherry to acknowledge there is a problem with abuse of females when it comes to online abuse.

The MP for Edinburgh South West then turned her attention to the social media platform’s hateful conduct policy.

“You are aware that sex is a protected characteristic of the equality act, and that discrimination on the grounds of sex is unlawful?” asked Cherry. “So why does your hateful conduct policy not protect women?”

Minshall responded: “Our hateful conduct policy does include gender and gender identity as a protected characteristic.”

“Yes,” retorted Cherry, “but in terms of the equality act, sex is a protected characteristic, why does your policy not cover that?”

Minshall said that their definitions were based on those of the UN and that their protection of gender included protecting women, meaning that abuse of women on their platform is a violation of Twitter’s rules.

The SNP MP asked if Minshall could follow up explaining why the social media platform had taken the decision to exclude sex is a protected characteristic." (continues)
www.thenational.scot/news/17611637.joanna-cherry-accuses-twitter-of-not-doing-enough-to-protect-women/?ref=twtrec

Rowantrees, it would have no impact on the bottom line of the site because the number of instances in which an average user would become aware that they were being prevented from discussing safeguarding (ie trans predators) are statistically minute, and the vast majority of users are standard-issue British woke, as it were. It is soothing, but simply not true, to imagine that Mumsnet will eventually be commercially damaged by its moderation policy (even if they were to become considerably more stringent.)

There's nothing 'soothing' about my disagreement with your analysis.

and the vast majority of users are standard-issue British woke

That is certainly not my perception of this site. Where on earth have you got that from?

the number of instances in which an average user would become aware that they were being prevented from discussing safeguarding (ie trans predators) are statistically minute, and the vast majority of users are standard-issue British woke, as it were.

The vast majority of MN users are very unlikely to be 'standard-issue British woke'

There is a current thread discussing Rory Stewart's recent comments acknowledging serious Safeguarding failures in UK prisons.

Rory Stewart "The important thing is I think that the rights of women to feel safe trump the rights of someone who is biologically male to enter that space"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3876533-Rory-Stewart-says-male-prisoners-self-identified-as-females-and-raped-prison-staff

I admire you, but you are not being realistic if you think that 'There would of course be a significant financial impact if women were banned from discussing the impact to sex-based rights & children's Safeguarding on a parenting site with majority female members.' There wouldn't. The vast majority of the content generated or consumed by users has nothing to do with either of these topics. The vast majority of MN users do not come to this board. It has a high post, low traffic ratio. And as we've all seen to our horror, being female is no bar to believing TWAW - or at least, that it's unkind to disagree.

I don't come to this board normally, I would leave if this discussion was censored.
And I thought the FWR board was third most popular on MN?

'Most popular' can be sliced multiple ways. There are a low number (proportionate to overall users) who come to FWR, but a high number of those that come, post.