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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ezra Miller

71 replies

FloralBunting · 06/04/2020 19:52

This is going to be a challenging post to write, because MN Guidelines will mean the reality of Ezra Miller's actions won't be as pin sharp as they could be, but...

Ezra Miller attacked a female fan, captured on camera, by grabbing her throat and throwing her to the ground. Ezra would like us all to refer to Ezra by they/them pronouns, but I think it's really important to be aware that Ezra is not a neutral, sexless being, Ezra is of the male sex class.

Lots of Ezra's fans are disappointed in Ezra, but think THE most important thing right now is to respect Ezra's which to obscure the sex class Ezra belongs to. I think that's bollocks.

Oh, and Grant Gustin is always going to be the best Flash.

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FloralBunting · 06/04/2020 19:53

Ezra's wish, not Ezra's which.

Damn, this post took it out of me...

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maa1992 · 06/04/2020 19:54

I've just seen the video, really shocking.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/04/2020 19:55

Ezra has always stuck me as a bit of a dick so I can't say this surprises me. I will though point out that the entertainment industry is full of male individuals with massive egos and difficult personalities and most of them manage to get through their public appearances without strangling or throwing to the ground fans, so congrats Ezra, you're a worse person than most of your peers.

PrivateEye · 06/04/2020 20:00

You can call him 'he' according to his Wiki:

"Miller has also stated that they are "comfortable with all the pronouns" and that they "let he/his/him ride, and that's fine."

FloralBunting · 06/04/2020 20:05

PrivateEye, that is good to know, but my OP being quite as tortured was partly done to highlight the absurdity.

But it's great to know I can say the he seems to be a dangerous man who women especially should steer well clear of.

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DidoLamenting · 06/04/2020 20:42

www.heyalma.com/18-things-you-didnt-know-about-jewish-actor-ezra-miller/

This is from a recent interview. Miller has said he is happy with any pronoun.

He sounded drunk in that clip- no excuse of course before someone leaps into say I'm making excuses. It didn't remotely look like a joke or a set-up; although possibly whoever was filming it was expecting something to happen, just not what actually happened. Whoever shouted "wo, bro" or whatever sounded genuinely frightened.

I had to Google him. He seems to have a planetary sized ego, even for a film star.

FloralBunting · 06/04/2020 20:49

No indeed, I think people suggesting a jokey set up are reaching, rather desperately. It's clearly a genuine attack.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/04/2020 20:59

I think this is a thing with fans regardless of the field, they can get so emotionally invested in a celebrity that their first instinct is to make excuses for them because that's easier than dealing with their own feelings about that the person they're a fan of did.

PositiveVibez · 06/04/2020 22:04

Ezra is an absolute bellend/non-binaryend

Seems like a total prick in interviews etc.,

Cohle · 06/04/2020 22:08

It doesn't really seem like pronouns are preventing the press or fans from criticising this behaviour to be honest.

FloralBunting · 06/04/2020 22:40

Well no. You'd have to be monstrously stupid to not criticize a man attacking a woman by grabbing her by the throat.

A number of people do feel it's necessary to police the general pronoun use around him, which is interesting given his own statements on the matter. As I said, fans who are very disappointed in his behaviour but still feel the need to control others by proxy.

I'm content to chalk this up to another aggressive, egotistical man, myself.

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powershowerforanhour · 06/04/2020 23:48

Ezra Miller was brilliantly cast in We Need To Talk About Kevin. Chillingly accurate performance, especially when the character interacts with his mother.

NotBadConsidering · 07/04/2020 04:01

Who cares what pronouns he may or may not want people to use? He’s not here. It shouldn’t be a mandatory requirement to search through the internet to be sure what pronouns the latest celebrity narcissist wants everyone to use before discussing them. It looks like he did something violent in keeping with his sex class. Tough shit Ezra, I will continue to use the pronouns appropriate for your sex, like the entire English language has done for centuries. It’s not like he’s even here to be offended, only idiotic people who get offended that we are not worried enough and subordinate enough that Ezra himself my find his way to this thread and get offended, so do so on his behalf. If MNHQ can prove to me that Ezra himself has complained about this post then I’ll understand, but given there is ambiguity, evidenced by Wikipedia, about whether pronouns bother him at all, I won’t dance around with my language for this post.

So sick of the internet police. Not that long ago, some wanker on the Guardian was replying to posts on a Tilda Swindon thread complaining about people referring to her as “she” while insisting she identified as NB and used “they”. People had to defend themselves by pointing out there was nothing on the internet to suggest as such and plenty of interviews with her referring to her as she. Such a waste of everyone’s time. Just bore off with your language policing.

Gingerkittykat · 07/04/2020 04:47

Is he going to face criminal charges for the assault?

There is no way someone should get away with that.

Cohle · 07/04/2020 09:23

It looks like he did something violent in keeping with his sex class.

Hmm
NotBadConsidering · 07/04/2020 10:01

What’s that stupid reply supposed to mean? When was the last time you saw footage of a woman throwing another woman to the floor by the throat? Whereas it happens daily in homes all around the world when the perpetrator is a man.

“Man commits violent act on woman” is hardly surprising news is it?

HmmHmm and another Hmm

CaroleFuckinBaskin · 07/04/2020 10:06

Just searched 'Ezra Miller pronouns' on Twitter.

Honestly, what the fuck is wrong with people these days?

Cohle · 07/04/2020 10:12

Becuse I think it's odd, on the feminist board, to make sweeping, stereotyped generalisations based on "sex class".

NotBadConsidering · 07/04/2020 10:16

It’s not a sweeping generalisation to state that physical violence on women is most commonly perpetrated by men. It’s a fact. Nearly all violent crime is perpetrated by men. Fact.

WhereYouLeftIt · 07/04/2020 10:22

"Becuse I think it's odd, on the feminist board, to make sweeping, stereotyped generalisations based on "sex class"."

The use of the word 'class' is a bit of a clue. Class analysis. Men as as sex class commit far more violence than women as a sex class. You'll find lots of statistics on that if you care to look.

Cohle · 07/04/2020 10:27

I'm well aware of the statistics relating to violence against women. I just think it's disappointing how many FWR posters are perfectly comfortable with gender stereotypes when it suits their views on trans or non-binary individuals.

CaroleFuckinBaskin · 07/04/2020 10:28

"Becuse I think it's odd, on the feminist board, to make sweeping, stereotyped generalisations based on "sex class"."

Why is that odd on a feminist board?

That poster wasn't making 'sweeping, stereotyped generalisations', she was referring to the cold hard statistics that show us that violence, including violence against women, is overwhelmingly perpetrated by people who belong to the sex class of male.

That's not a 'stereotype' that is a fact.

CaroleFuckinBaskin · 07/04/2020 10:30

I just think it's disappointing how many FWR posters are perfectly comfortable with gender stereotypes when it suits their views on trans or non-binary individuals.

What do you mean by 'gender stereotypes' here?

If you can't recognise that violence against women is overwhelmingly perpetrated by men, then you can't solve it.

ItsLateHumpty · 07/04/2020 10:34

It's been reported here:

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/ezra-miller-chokes-fan-woman-video-twitter-diego-tinoco-a9448836.html

"In the video, which began trending on Twitter Sunday night (April 5), a person who appears to be the 27-year-old actor is approached by a female fan who seems to play fight with him after spotting him in Iceland.

In response, the man says “Oh, you wanna fight? That’s what you wanna do?” before grabbing her by the neck and pushing her into the back wall of an aisle truck parked behind her.

Some viewers believed the interaction was a harmless joke since the woman appears to have a smile on her face.

However, others pointed out that the person recording the video sounds concerned.
“Woah, bro. Bro,” he tells the man, assumed to be the Justice League actor, before the video cuts out."

His actions are drawing criticism.

KaronAVyrus · 07/04/2020 10:36

It’s not a gender stereotype it is an absolute truth that members of the male sex are statistically much more violent.

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