Ezra Miller

[FloralBunting]

This is going to be a challenging post to write, because MN Guidelines will mean the reality of Ezra Miller's actions won't be as pin sharp as they could be, but...

Ezra Miller attacked a female fan, captured on camera, by grabbing her throat and throwing her to the ground. Ezra would like us all to refer to Ezra by they/them pronouns, but I think it's really important to be aware that Ezra is not a neutral, sexless being, Ezra is of the male sex class.

Lots of Ezra's fans are disappointed in Ezra, but think THE most important thing right now is to respect Ezra's which to obscure the sex class Ezra belongs to. I think that's bollocks.

Oh, and Grant Gustin is always going to be the best Flash.

Is Cohle referring to the fact that we have a problem with a male who presents totally as a male but calls himself a woman being accepted as a woman? Who knows?

Ezra is a self obsessed idiot who wants to be more interesting than he is. No one - be they male or female - should be forgiven for grabbing someone by the neck and shoving them to the ground. Everyone knows the chances of someone male doing this rather than someone female are way higher. The statistics prove it over and over.

"Becuse I think it's odd, on the feminist board, to make sweeping, stereotyped generalisations based on "sex class"."

"I'm well aware of the statistics relating to violence against women. I just think it's disappointing how many FWR posters are perfectly comfortable with gender stereotypes when it suits their views on trans or non-binary individuals."

You really are fond of that word 'stereotype', aren't you? Such a pity you contradict yourself so easily.

It's clearly not a stereotype to state that males commit more violence than females - it's well-documented and your second post confirms you are aware of that. It's therefore NOT A STEREOTYPE. So any reference to a male's behaviour being consistent with the documented behaviour of the male sex class HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STEREOTYPES. And as for 'gender stereotypes' - the subject under discussion is sex class, not gender, so you're dragging a red herring there.

It would seem your sniffy little posts are plain ol' bad faith.

Sniffy little posts sums it up 😂🤣🔥🔥

Is Cohle referring to the fact that we have a problem with a male who presents totally as a male but calls himself a woman being accepted as a woman?

No, because Ezra doesn't "call himself a woman".

Miller uses they/them pronounss^, which GQ Britainn^ stated is done "in a pointed refusal to be gendered". Miller stated that, for them, queer means "I don't identify as a man. I don't identify as a woman. I barely identify as a human."

If you're going to criticise how someone chooses to identify, it would seem sensible to at least know what that identity is...

My concern about gender stereotyping is that by reinforcing the message that violence is associated with masculinity we perpetuate the cycle that leads to male on female violence. I think we should be challenging masculine norms, not embracing them.

So we should just pretend that the male sex isn’t statistically much more violent than the female sex? And instead of debating and challenging this violence we should ignore it in the hope it goes away? 🤔

If you're going to criticise how someone chooses to identify, it would seem sensible to at least know what that identity is

This is laughable. Explain Miller’s statement then. “I barely identify as human”. How is anyone supposed to know what bullshit like that is supposed to mean?

My concern about gender stereotyping is that by reinforcing the message that violence is associated with masculinity we perpetuate the cycle that leads to male on female violence. I think we should be challenging masculine norms, not embracing them.

I didn’t gender stereotype. You keep applying that term to what I said, but what I actually did is point out Miller has allegedly been violent towards a woman, which is inherently an exclusively male trait. It’s a fact. It’s not associated with “masculinity” it’s associated with being male. How has Miller challenged “masculine norms”? If you want to rail against someone for not challenging “masculine norms”, why don’t you criticise him? The whole point of my post is that regardless of how he “identifies”, he is just another male attacking a woman, allegedly.

I'm well aware of the statistics relating to violence against women. I just think it's disappointing how many FWR posters are perfectly comfortable with gender stereotypes when it suits their views on trans or non-binary individuals

In other words, you're well aware of the statistics around which sex is more prone to violence, but you don't like people pointing that out. I find it disappointing that you would have us shut up about sex-based violence in deference to that sacred caste of trans and non-binary people.

I think it's cute that Cohle thinks that recognizing that this is a man being violent, as many other men are, is 'embracing masculine norms'.

I'm not sure how Cohle would like masculine norms to be challenged if we are to scolded when we notice the repeated patterns of male behaviour.

I say I'm not sure, but mostly I don't give a fuck about the FWR monitor's opinions about feminist topics, so I think that's all the response I'll be giving to to Cohle.

How is anyone supposed to know what bullshit like that is supposed to mean?

By all means disagree with Miller then, Christ knows I do, but I don't think making factually incorrect assertions about how Miller identifies is a constructive way of doing that.

Of course I don't think we should shut up about sex based violence, what an absurd accusation. I do think acting as though it's a fact of life that we all just have to accept, rather than challenging it and seeking to disrupt damaging gender norms is unlikely to be constructive though.

I think the fact that we as a group would really rather like it if males would stop "embracing masculine norms" is a. rather key, b. remains true regardless of the male in question's gender identity, and c. should be incredibly obvious to anyone who has the slightest clue what feminism is.

But, you know, snide little comments about class analysis being bad and wrong, you could go with those and hope that they'll successfully shame the women here into silence.

Kitten yes, it's true. Recognizing male pattern behaviour is key, most especially their dominance attempts. Recognition comes before effective challenge, of course.

So let's get this right. Cohle is complaining about posters on an FWR thread acknowledging male violence by a male person.

They then go one better and say that women acknowledging this makes the women responsible for the perpetuation of that violence.

I read that GQ profile of Ezra Miller - not an actor I"d noticed particularly.

I thought it was mansplaining masculinist twaddle. The use of non-binary & fluid rhetoric was belied by the bullshit - it reminded me of the peace & love stuff that [male] hippies in the late 70s would sput to try and get a 'zipless fuck.' or Men in the 1980s spouting "feminism" to get laid.

It's the same aggressive masculinist catting-about bullshit.

And then the photos left one in no doubt about the biological sex of Miller's body, whatever the social identification is.

So I'm not surprised that Miller is violent towards women - misogyny is the belief; violence is the practice.

I was interested

I've never taken 'non-binary' identities seriously and I don't think I ever will. People like Ezra Miller further confirm my theory for me that people who identify as 'non-binary' fall into two categories for doing so:

1. People who come from a background of trauma or mental health issues and are using 'special identities' as a form of escapism

2. Complete and utter narcissistic attention seekers.

No prizes guessing which one Miller is.

In any case I'm really fucking tired of people trying to control others even in some cases prioritizing pronouns over disgusting and violent behaviour. The simple reality is your identity is important to no one except yourself, stop expecting society to carry that burden for you.

He's a nasty piece of work with a huge ego. The only tiny thing in his favour is the pronoun nonsense seems to be at his fans' instigation, not his.

I'm mildly curious as to why he is in Reykjavik but hopefully that will make a prosecution easy as hopefully he can't leave.

Reviving this thread as Miller has struck again, this time allegedly throwing a chair at a woman’s head when he was asked to leave her home. The pattern of violence and narcissism continues, unsurprisingly. Doubtful there will be any consequences for his actions, ‘cos magic combination of pronouns+celebrity.

More details here. Looks like there was another incident in March. Ezra was arrested 20 minutes after the most recent episode of violence.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10733129/The-Flash-star-Ezra-Miller-arrested-SECOND-time-Hawaii.html

Miller also made headlines in January when they posted a now-deleted video on Instagram threatening members of the Ku Klux Klan operating in Beulaville, North Carolina.

Miller was seen telling members of the Klan to kill themselves with their own guns, otherwise 'we'll do it for you if that's what you want.'

I thought that was interesting. holds up my belief that these angry SJW types are just angry people looking for a cause to legitimise their behaviour

@DidoLamenting

He's a nasty piece of work with a huge ego. The only tiny thing in his favour is the pronoun nonsense seems to be at his fans' instigation, not his.

I'm mildly curious as to why he is in Reykjavik but hopefully that will make a prosecution easy as hopefully he can't leave.

Oh that makes more sense. When a previous person referred to him being "spotted in Iceland" I was surprised that he would shop there.

Sorry posted before I'd finished: I was surprised that he would shop there

Yup. Being "woke" online is the current socially-sanctioned way to be a bully.

But I think part of it is also the ability of small groups with fringe opinions to find "community" with each other online. Thirty years ago the weird teenager would have been a bit weird for a few years in a physical community where they were fairly unique for their weirdness and would eventually (mostly) take the social cues and sort themselves out and grow out of it. Now they can find a community of other weird people online, convince each other they're all marginalised, 100% right about everything, and know things nobody else knows at the age of 17.

I'm glad people have more scope to be whatever they want and live as they want, really, but the "teething problems" of this new technology are more like festering gingivitis that needs to be sorted out before the West becomes even more of a gummy, toothless mess.

Hah!

Quite a history with law enforcement in Hawaii:

www.kitv.com/search/?l=25&sd=desc&s=start_time&f=html&t=article%2Cvideo%2Cyoutube%2Ccollection&q=Ezra+miller

How are we embracing them? Are you trying to say that you can only stop crime by pretending it isn’t happening? What utter bollocks.

We are not fucking perpetuating violence by pointing out who overwhelmingly commits it. That’s some victim blaming shit right there.