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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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BovaryX · 05/04/2020 14:20

If a man gets penis cancer and has to have the whole thing amputated, is he now as much a woman as you are?

Was Theon Greyjoy like Sansa Stark post his sojourn with Ramsey Bolton?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:20

The youngest is 12 and the oldest is 17

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FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 14:22

Gotta say, the incoherence on display is Bespin level. Not that I'm saying the repeated use of the phrase "transwomen are just as much a woman as I am" is telling at all. Would never suggest that.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:22

What frightens you about trans women being defined as women as most prejudice comes from fear and or ignorance

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BovaryX · 05/04/2020 14:22

The youngest is 12 and the oldest is 17

Can you explain how a 12 year old is trans? What precisely does that mean?

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 14:23

The children I work with at the charity are teenagers

So your paid work is in a nursery/pre-school setting & you volunteer for a charity working with teenagers?

When you talk about going into school & discussing self-harm with children is this for the charity?

Seventyone72seventy3 · 05/04/2020 14:23

All the trans women I know don’t have male genitalia
You have already said this but

  1. This is statistically unusual.
  2. So? Are you saying that means they have changed sex? I'm not sure why you are telling us.
  3. You need to explain how this relates at all to what you are trying to argue because your posts are far from clear.
BovaryX · 05/04/2020 14:24

as most prejudice comes from fear and or ignorance

Belief in external reality isn't 'prejudice.' It's called being a functioning adult.

Seventyone72seventy3 · 05/04/2020 14:24

What frightens you about trans women being defined as women as most prejudice comes from fear and or ignorance
Big leap there. It is not a question of fear or ignorance but I have seen nothing that convinces me that a male should be defined as female. I will ask again - what have you see that convinces you that they should be?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:25

And you need to be a pretty bitter individual to be bigot

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DixieFlatline · 05/04/2020 14:25

Oh god, I had blissfully forgotten about Bespin Shock though I prefer the incoherence to the increasing number of sock-puppety wankers playing devil’s advocate on any thread about men recently.

Back to the current topic: funny how so many of these people accuse us of reducing women to their genitals while evidently believing the entirety of a man’s maleness resides in his appendage.

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 14:25

Gotta say, the incoherence on display is Bespin level. Not that I'm saying the repeated use of the phrase "transwomen are just as much a woman as I am" is telling at all. Would never suggest that.

Its funny Floral, I was recalling Bespin's frequent posts about work. Mesmac wasnt it?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:26

I have seen the pain humiliation discrimination that trans women have been through to be defined as female

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BovaryX · 05/04/2020 14:27

I think you need to be a pretty dangerous individual with a pretty dangerous ideology to encourage someone like Keira Bell to take part in damaging medical treatment and surgery. How many more Keira Bells?

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 14:27

Yes, R0, I believe it was. Stunning lack of understanding about safeguarding for someone in that role, too, iirc.

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 14:27

And you need to be a pretty bitter individual to be bigot

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/

noun
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

Seventyone72seventy3 · 05/04/2020 14:27

Why does not believing that sex can change make you a bigot? Most rational people believe don't believe that sex can change. You have yet to even explain WHY we should believe this but apparently we just should, without question? Confused Do you always just accept anything anyone tells you on face value?

BringbackLang · 05/04/2020 14:28

How do transwomen become women?

As far as I'm concerned they are transwomen and a subset of men. Just as transmen are a subset of women.

Seventyone72seventy3 · 05/04/2020 14:28
  • Most rational people don't believe that sex can change.
katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:28

They define as feeling like they have be born into the wrong body

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R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 14:28

Stunning lack of understanding about safeguarding for someone in that role, too, iirc.

Worryingly so.

BringbackLang · 05/04/2020 14:29

So you are saying being a woman is just a feeling)?

midgebabe · 05/04/2020 14:29

And I have seen the pain and discrimination that females face just for being female

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:29

The people I work with are some of the most rationale people I have ever met and they believe that sex can change

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BringbackLang · 05/04/2020 14:30

They might believe that. I could believe that I am a rich millionaire, unfortunately it doesn't make it true.