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What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 13:52

No, TW are not women.

Feminism is about women.

Fin.

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Vaginandtonic · 05/04/2020 13:53

So trans women aren’t women thus proving my point that certain people use feminism as a guise for transphobia trans women or no less of a women that I am

Wuh?!

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MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 13:53

I am a teacher pet

Unable to compose the most basic of sentences and use even the most basic of grammar? Nah.

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ScapaFlo · 05/04/2020 13:53

Have you ever heard of full stops or ever seen them used in all this research you have(n't) done?

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FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 13:54

A teacher's pet? I don't doubt it.

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SipChampagneLikeWeThirstay · 05/04/2020 13:54

I’m not hiding behind anything.

I don’t believe you can change sex.

If you wanted to come on and shout ‘you’re all evil terfs!’ you could have saved yourself all that typing out of disingenuous questions, honestly.

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 13:54

Neither do a lot of trans women my colleagues who have transition don’t have male genitals

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wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 05/04/2020 13:54

I'm reminded of Bunbury's wise saying 'you can't educate pork'.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 13:55

So trans women aren’t women

Well done OP you got there in the end!

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R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 13:56

Really and where are your statistics that prove this or am I just to take it as given because the mums net community says it so as for the stats around lgbt youth suicide and self harm this are facts in our charity along 80% of our young people have admitted self harm

They aren't 'your' young people.
Has 'your charity' provided you with training/evidence-based knowledge about child & adolescent mental / emotional health?
Are you aware of the other factors which might be present in high reporting of self-harm behaviour/s?

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MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 13:56

Neither do a lot of trans women my colleagues who have transition don’t have male genitals

Were these swathes of colleagues who are transwomen born with penises?

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BovaryX · 05/04/2020 13:56

I am a teacher pet

No doubt. Do you teach children that they can transform into the opposite sex if they feel unhappy in their own body?

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 13:57

I don’t believe u are evil and I’m not convinced by the word terf but equally neither will I stay quiet will the rights fellow human beings are being eroded and our trans community are still subjected to discrimination abuse or violence I have no intention of changing your mind because a very wise person said to me you educate those who have a closed mind

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BovaryX · 05/04/2020 13:58

Neither do a lot of trans women my colleagues who have transition don’t have male genitals

Really? Highly credible....

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 05/04/2020 13:58

Don't waste your breath trying to reason with the OP, they clearly don't have the capacity to engage meaningfully. I'm just hanging out til we get to "buT iNterSEx" so I can finish my bingo card, then I'm going.

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MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 13:58

a very wise person said to me you educate those who have a closed mind

Don’t worry OP, you don’t seem capable of educating anyone.

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R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 13:58

Neither do a lot of trans women my colleagues who have transition don’t have male genitals

They havent changed sex.
If a person is male (which all transwomen are) then every part of their body remains male regardless whether it has been modified by surgery or altered by medication.

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Vaginandtonic · 05/04/2020 13:59

Neither do a lot of trans women my colleagues who have transition don’t have male genitals

Where do you work that you have colleagues plural that have had SRS?

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BovaryX · 05/04/2020 13:59

rights fellow human beings are being eroded

Trite slogans don't cut it here. What 'rights' are being eroded? Be specific. Provide a citation.

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MoleSmokes · 05/04/2020 14:00

katienlisa552 - "mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people "

That is defamatory and untrue.

What Mumsnet does do is remove blatant trolling.

What regular posters have found to their cost is that Mumsnet also deletes posts and whole threads that deal, however academically or compassionately, with a subject that trans activists routinely report because they would like it to be forgotten and never discussed, ie. Autogynephilia.

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Vaginandtonic · 05/04/2020 14:00

a very wise person said to me you educate those who have a closed mind

Punctuation is a good place to start when 'educating' someone.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 14:01

our trans community are still subjected to discrimination abuse or violence

Not by us though. Why don't you concentrate your efforts on the people who do this rather than gender sceptical feminist women?

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:01

Well my son is 5 so no I don’t and as I work in preschool education they are also to young but as my son has two mums and he sees and spends time with my trans friends he won’t grow up as a bigot either but if my son turned out to be trans he would have my full support to be whoever he wants to be

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R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 14:02

a very wise person said to me you [can't] educate those who have a closed mind

Probably wise words if Ive understood what you meant to type.

How many responses to your comments have you thought about?
Have you considered how open /closed your own mind is?

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R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 14:03

Well my son is 5 so no I don’t and as I work in preschool education

The assertions you've made about the children you work with refer to pre-school children?
Under 5s?

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