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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 05/04/2020 16:16

And how reassuring it is to know that but the time my children are grown up attitudes like yours will have become less visible like every form of prejudice that has ever been finally it becomes less socially acceptable and trans women will be accepted as women of course there will also be the small minority of narrow minded idiots but the voices of the majority will drown them out

I think you're going to be bitterly disappointed!

RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 16:17

katienlisa552 could you try stringing a proper sentence together and indicate who and what you are responding to in your posts, it helps so much when trying to conduct a civilised debate, thanks awfully.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:18

I didn’t I thought of it myself hence the spelling mistakes bad grammar

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Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 16:18

For a joint effort by both Katie and Lisa this is a pretty poor show.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:18

What’s a constellation

It's a women isn't it? A most womenly of women.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:19

How do u tag who u are directing a comment at then

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AlunWynsKnee · 05/04/2020 16:19

before anyone is allowed to transition on the nhs there have to go through vigorous psychological assessment
This 'vigourous' assessment can be as little as 3 hours. And if you have the money to buy drugs online from perhaps a clinic in Spain you can avoid this assessment.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 05/04/2020 16:19

I am a teacher pet

I seriously doubt that ... pet!

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:19

Florabunting not a clue haven’t come across that expression before

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:20

Okay if u say so

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MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 16:20

I didn’t I thought of it myself hence the spelling mistakes bad grammar

Your opening gambit is completely at odds with your later posting style.

If you use someone else’s work to spark discussion it’s good practice to cite your source.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:21

Florabunting not a clue haven’t come across that expression before

Aw, pet, you need to round out your education. Fancy coming here as a women and not knowing the broad spectrum of a women. Do better.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 16:21

I didn’t I thought of it myself hence the spelling mistakes bad grammar

I thought you got an A* in GCSE English?

Maybe Gove was right.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:21

Alunwynsknee well as long as they are consenting adults

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:23

Tinsel angel I did with the help of a laptop and spell checker or didn’t u know that children with special needs were given equipment to help them with their exams and I was educated long before that twat gove came along thank god

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MrsSnippyPants · 05/04/2020 16:24

I think the OP identifies as having children AND an A English GCSE! Among other things Grin.

Datun · 05/04/2020 16:25

OP, You said that many children you know who are trans, are autistic, and some have suffered sexual trauma?

Do you think that either of those two things might be a reason to try and opt out of one's sex?

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:25

Did you learn about a women while getting your A? Or is that an optional part of an A?

RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 16:26

katienlisa552 from your opening post:

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society.

You have failed spectacularly on the debate, open discussion and tolerance of others opinions.

Trans people have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society - please show me where they are being silenced and don't have the same freedoms as any other member of society.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 05/04/2020 16:26

And you need to be a pretty bitter individual to be bigot

Yet, you appear to think that there are many of us on here. So, do you really believe this board to be full of bitter individuals? Or is there just the smallest possibility that our views are valid and don't make us bigots at all?

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:26

Do you not have a spell checker now OP? Or just not a special women one?

Datun · 05/04/2020 16:28

OP, highlight the person's comment to which you are responding, paste it onto your comment, with an asterisk either side with no gaps. That will bold it.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 05/04/2020 16:28

You really shouldn't be working with vulnerable teenagers.

I very much doubt that she is Hmm

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:28

I do indeed have a five year old son i have very blessed

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FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:29

An imaginary child but no spell checker.

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