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Douglas Murray on Guardian's trans war

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BovaryX · 22/03/2020 05:21

For those looking for some amusement during these bizarre times, there is some scathing humour from Douglas Murray in the Spectator who takes aim at the Guardian and Owen Jones. The latter is apparently seeking to absolve himself of responsibility for his own signature in the notorious petition.

Nevertheless, since having his name leaked as a signatory to the letter Jones has been trying to weasel out of it, saying his name was only added at the last minute and only digitally etc, as though the other signatories had all signed their names in blood during some late night coven. I don't know why Jones is so coy about his name being found to be on the petition. After all, Jones is the only 'journalist' in Britain I can think of who has taken part in a demonstration outside the offices of a national newspaper

Douglas Murray goes on to say he hopes the Guardian will explain

why it is unacceptable to have a feminist in their pages defending women's rights

www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-Guardian-s-trans-rights-civil-war-rumbles-on

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2Rebecca · 22/03/2020 23:24

It's like comic book writers. When our local ComicCon came I was keen to the the female writers, then realised about 1/3 - 1/2 of those with a woman's name were men. Difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction?

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 22/03/2020 23:39

Tbh even if there aren't that many TW working in the IT department, I bet there are enough for them to have colleagues who either genuinely feel they have to "defend" them, or feel pressured to. If you have a bunch of TW colleagues and someone shoves a protest letter under your nose to sign, it's going to be pretty awkward to say "sorry no, I don't think that writer did anything wrong".

LaureBerthaud · 23/03/2020 07:37

Does anyone anywhere have a bunch of TW colleagues?

I've never had one in my whole working life or know anyone who works with a TW. That's why I don't understand why they are gaining so much power and influence. Where are they?

BeetrootRocks · 23/03/2020 12:55

I think the stock answer would be they all pass so well you wouldn't know.

How that works in an industry which is predominantly men though, is anyone's guessGrin

koshkatt · 23/03/2020 16:02

Yes that is always the line. And yet..we all know it is platinum plated bullshit.

Goosefoot · 01/04/2020 16:38

I suspect there are a number of things behind the preponderance of IT people.

One is the fantasy thing. IT people are also heavily represented in the SCA for example.

I also find many IT people remind me very much of engineers in their thinking. It's very linear and tends to follow simple lines of thought through even to conclusions that don't seem quite right. They tend to assume that what seems logical will be true. They don't always realise that their premises, that the logic is based on, may be less clear than they realise.

The final thing which plays into all of that is the type of education they get., which is largely technical. They, like engineers, consider themselves educated middle class people, aware of current events and research. They also are usually good at logic. But typically they have little or no background in history, the history or philosophy behind the ideas that are widely accepted by society, literature, or anything like that. All the things that are protective of people assuming their own assumptions and logic must be correct, or that widen their experience of reality.

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