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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Government expected to indefinitely delay reforms to GRA

72 replies

stumbledin · 21/03/2020 00:48

Gender Recognition Act reforms have been kicked into the long grass as ministers fear trans laws are too divisive, i understands.

Those involved in drawing up reforms to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) no longer expect them to be enacted, following a backlash from Conservative MPs and activists. ...

A Government source said that the consultation into the GRA commissioned by Mrs May, which closed 18 months ago, was unlikely to result in the planned reforms going ahead. “Boris Johnson just doesn’t want that fight,” the source said. “We just won’t talk about it." The delay is not related to the coronavirus epidemic.

Source: inews.co.uk/news/gender-recognition-act-indefinite-delay-plans-change-gender-2504335

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Melroses · 23/03/2020 11:08

It occurred to me that maybe someone in the British or Scottish government, somewhere, might now realise that introducing a law, where anyone can choose what sex to put on their birth certificate without any medical input or gatekeeping, and expecting most of the population to behave nicely is probably a really stupid idea, when you can't trust them to socially distance themselves without a whole load of people going en masse up Snowdon just because they can.

Bad law.

#ManFriday #WomanWednesday etc.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/03/2020 12:07

Darren Grimes. Well well. There will be more rejoicing over one lost sheep than over the ninety and nine who did not stray...

LynnSchmob · 23/03/2020 12:24

Great point. People think social distancing means having a nice day out at a packed park. How could you trust the general public with self ID? You can’t because everyone seems to put themselves first.

iamyourfriendlyfriend · 23/03/2020 14:44

I can assure you lot that most trans people are worrying more about the state of things right now than GRA reform. What's amazing is that GRA reform was never the be-all of anyone's movement, nor would it suffice as any sort of gateway trojan horse type legislation. Trans people can call themselves what they want basically anywhere now and that is literally not going to change unless we have a government so fascist that all women would become second-class-citizens in perpetuity.

I think this is a good time to self-reflect and really consider who and what your enemies are right now. Might come to some sobering conclusions. Be safe xx

Datun · 23/03/2020 15:50

What's amazing is that GRA reform was never the be-all of anyone's movement,

Good, then there is absolutely no one who is going to mind that it remains exactly as it is, without reform.

Apollo440 · 23/03/2020 16:46

Ah we imagined it all. Got you.

BringbackLang · 23/03/2020 17:34

Rather passive aggressive there. I'm glad the reforms have been kicked into the long grass. I hope the whole gender identity movement goes with it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/03/2020 17:38

What's amazing is that GRA reform was never the be-all of anyone's movement

Goodness, it's strange how Stonewall etc were so absolutely set on it then if it's meaningless?

koshkatt · 23/03/2020 20:04

As others have said - if it's not the important then all is well. Let's forget all about it asap.

koshkatt · 23/03/2020 20:04

that

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/03/2020 20:21

iamyourfriendlyfriend
I can assure you lot that most trans people are worrying more about the state of things right now than GRA reform.

And you can say this with confidence because you know them all. There must be fewer that I have been being told.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 24/03/2020 09:49

Trans people can call themselves what they want basically anywhere now

You're absolutely right. Thankfully we are not yet compelled in perpetuity to play along.

Fimofriend · 24/03/2020 22:13

TW comparing themselves to suffragettes? That is effing hilarious! They are trying to remove women's rights!!!

RedDogsBeg · 25/03/2020 16:51

you lot so wonderfully dismissive, almost as if we were some nasty sub human species that needed to be forcefully controlled and made to submit.

RedDogsBeg · 25/03/2020 16:55

iam and the TRA agenda would turn women, the adult human females who are the only ones who qualify for this title, into at best 3rd class citizens.

Winesalot · 25/03/2020 17:00

nasty sub human species that needed to be forcefully controlled and made to submit.

Like rape and death threats. Oh and aggressive protestors wearing leather and dildos and threatening women ... and setting off smoke bombs in Grenfell.

Or just the amount of violent memes that are designed to silence anyone who disagrees. Like that???

Rather than persisting in explaining that rather than hating people, we merely do not stick our head in the sand and ignore that there are issues that need to be discussed and more evidence and studies to be done to ensure that biological women and all children are safeguarded in reality rather than in theory.

RedDogsBeg · 25/03/2020 17:09

Dear me, no, Winesalot, being sensible and logical will never do, us lot must not be allowed to do anything other than capitulate and never to voice anything other than total agreement - safeguarding, privacy, dignity how dare we think women and girls should have this or are entitled to it.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 26/03/2020 18:01

So, if this is the case, how do we start rolling back the de facto self-id that permeated institutions and organisations?

RedDogsBeg · 26/03/2020 19:08

So, if this is the case, how do we start rolling back the de facto self-id that permeated institutions and organisations?

I agree TheWordWomanIsTaken not only can we not take this for granted we need to pile on the pressure to roll back the de facto self id and to remove the brainwashing lobby groups that have infiltrated areas of Government, Civil Service, Schools, Police, Justice System, etc., etc. The war is far from over, small battles have been won but this is far from over.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 26/03/2020 22:20

Yes, perhaps there needs to be pressure to actually repeal the GRA?
It is now a pointless piece legislation.
And I certainly agree that we need our wits about us regarding the Equality Act and potential changes.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 26/03/2020 22:20

piece of

RedDogsBeg · 27/03/2020 10:43

I agree regarding the repeal of the GRA, imo it should never have been brought in in the first place it was always going to be a gateway to what we are seeing now, it definitely needs to go and absolute clear and unequivocal legislation and rules brought in that protect the rights, safety, privacy and dignity of women.

Unfortunately, we cannot let our guard down at all, this is a very powerful and insidious lobby machine and they will not let up.

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