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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Government expected to indefinitely delay reforms to GRA

72 replies

stumbledin · 21/03/2020 00:48

Gender Recognition Act reforms have been kicked into the long grass as ministers fear trans laws are too divisive, i understands.

Those involved in drawing up reforms to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) no longer expect them to be enacted, following a backlash from Conservative MPs and activists. ...

A Government source said that the consultation into the GRA commissioned by Mrs May, which closed 18 months ago, was unlikely to result in the planned reforms going ahead. “Boris Johnson just doesn’t want that fight,” the source said. “We just won’t talk about it." The delay is not related to the coronavirus epidemic.

Source: inews.co.uk/news/gender-recognition-act-indefinite-delay-plans-change-gender-2504335

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Justhadathought · 21/03/2020 14:48

Stonewall, will no doubt, carry on the campaign to have Sex replaced with Gender in the equalities act.

No let up.......still more campaigning; talking; discussing the facts of material and biological reality; throwing a spot-light on gender ideology in schools......exposing the reality of AGP.....

WrathofFaeKlopp · 21/03/2020 15:04

A placard in one hand and dictaphone in the other"
Grin
Yes loooool

WrathofFaeKlopp · 21/03/2020 15:14

Kicked into the long grass where the activists will still be trying to push genderism.

Genderism has been creeping in globally, therefore the current crisis will affect genderism globally.

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 21/03/2020 15:37

Ok, well, in sensible thoughts - good, obviously. But this whole genderist legislation debacle has awakened lots of women to the need for feminism, to all the ways it is still very relevant and that we must always be vigilant about our rights.

It's revealed massive safeguarding holes, and lack of understanding about what safeguarding is.

So, my proposal, going forward, is, unlike the daintily voiced Michelle in that podcast, we do not need to 'help people because we will then be seen as making a contribution', because we were always making a contribution, and the crisis around Covid-19 is providing a very clear picture of exactly what that contribution is.

Bring it back, constantly, to brass tacks - we are not interested in trans anything, our concern is, and always has been, the rights and protections of women and girls. Get the distinction between sex and gender clear in your head - sex is which of the two gamete producing classes you are in, gender is the cultural bound expectations, assumptions and stereotypes overlaid on top of those sex classes.

Sex is therefore immutable, gender is a set of ideas you can ignore, and actually, they are most often harmful ideas which are used to oppress women. We do not 'break a gender binary' by accepting gender, we do it by doing what a lot of us have been trying to do for years - point out that clothes, emotions, jobs, activities are not 'for girls' or 'for boys', they're for people, male or female.

Let's fight back against the lies of Stonewall by building up the women's liberation movement and reinvigorating an understanding of safeguarding.

NonnyMouse1337 · 21/03/2020 15:56

Lots of organisations and institutions have foolishly leapt ahead of legislation and implemented all sorts of rubbish policies that infringe on women's rights. They still need to be held to account for this.

stumbledin · 21/03/2020 16:11

NonnyMouse1337 - that's what I was thinking.

Even if somehow the Government let's this drift (assuming we come out the otherside of Covid-19 there is still Brexit) there are now so many institutions, schools, newspapers etc., who all accepted and in their daily practice "affirm" self id.

And so women will continue to be impacted.

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FannyCann · 21/03/2020 16:39

Does anyone know if they ask for sex or gender when you ring 111?

Adrian Harrop works for them these days.
He won't have the luxury of choosing his word of choice.
And no one will even know if he is wearing a rainbow lanyard. 😁

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 21/03/2020 17:03

Michelle claims that "trans people make up a significant percentage of the workforce of the people who are gonna help fix this pandemic. They're doctors and nurses and cleaners and delivery people, bus drivers, factory workers"

Do they? Are they? Does anyone know any real numbers, such as how many trans people there actually are? I would put it in the thousands, possibly the tens of thousands, but not a large percentage of the work force let alone the population -- in 1914 fifty per cent of the people in the country were women.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 21/03/2020 17:06

Someone on twitter stated that the EHRC have been asked to rewrite their single sex guidance.

Anyone know anything about this?

Dozer · 21/03/2020 17:09

All speculation until any official statements, eg gov.uk

Winesalot · 21/03/2020 17:14

Michelle claims that "trans people make up a significant percentage of the workforce of the people who are gonna help fix this pandemic. They're doctors and nurses and cleaners and delivery people, bus drivers, factory workers"

I find this really confusing. On one hand Michelle claims there are significant numbers working and yet so many claim they are disproportionately unemployed. The long and the short of it is, no one seems to have accurate stats.

It completely plays into lobbyists hands that the stats cannot be fact checked.

TedsFederationRep · 21/03/2020 17:39

Michelle claims that "trans people make up a significant percentage of the workforce of the people who are gonna help fix this pandemic. They're doctors and nurses and cleaners and delivery people, bus drivers, factory workers"

Purely anecdotally, in my part of the world, there has only ever been the odd one or two. I don't think that counts as a "significant percentage" by anyone's standards.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 21/03/2020 17:45

ThinEndoftheWedge
I hope it's been rewritten (or ideally binned) The EHRC's first draft bullied girls into undressing and toileting with males, modelled the coercive control of girls and was completely inappropriate. It told girls that if a boy self identifying as a girl wanted to use the female changing room then (if they didn't consent), they all had to move. Evidently written by an activist and not anyone who has ever taught PE, understands safeguarding / health and safety in schools or cares about the wellbeing of girls. No change there then for the EHRC. Hmm

Lordfrontpaw · 21/03/2020 17:46

Don’t take your eye of it for one minute.

That’s how things slip in - people are distracted or don’t know it’s happening then the next thing you know...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/03/2020 18:46

Michelle claims that "trans people make up a significant percentage of the workforce of the people who are gonna help fix this pandemic. They're doctors and nurses and cleaners and delivery people, bus drivers, factory workers"

Yeah, I think women make up a significantly bigger percentage of that workforce.

Apollo440 · 21/03/2020 18:49

I've never met a trans doctor or nurse or indeed any HCP. That's just my experience but I doubt it is a 'significant' percentage ...more like an insignificant one.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 21/03/2020 20:08

@truthisarevolutionaryact

Thanks for the info. Frightening. Seriously - how do they think such policies provide equality for girls??!!!

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 21/03/2020 21:49

Seriously - how do they think such policies provide equality for girls??!!!

The obvious response would seem to be 'They don't consider that sort of thing to be significant'

NellieEllie · 21/03/2020 22:02

Self id is already being enacted by most public institutions, vol and private sector organisations - women’s refuges, changing rooms, loos, brownie/girl guides, prisons. And the issues of puberty blockers for children and trans education in schools has to be changed. These will still need campaigning on. I’m pleased that the legislation won’t be changed, but it’s practically gone ahead anyway.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 21/03/2020 22:02

ThinEndoftheWedge
The EHRC, Stonewall etc are not interested in equality for women and girls if it collides with their obsession with trans rights. Girls are collateral damage - those awful guidelines clearly demonstrated this. Take a look (if you can bear it) at the dismal CPS trans guidelines for schools that aim to distort children's relationships by telling them that if they don't uncritically welcome a 'trans" child into every social situation they're guilty of a hate crime - not to mention the requirement for girls to undress in front of a boy self identifying as a girl without complaint (as that's another hate crime).
These powerful groups grooming girls in plain sight.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 21/03/2020 22:07

Thanks - yes.

Looks like we need to focus on the EHRC to ensure they uphold the bloody law and equality or be disbanded.

Not fit for purpose and an insult to women and girls.

Strangerthantruth · 22/03/2020 00:38

Ultimately EHRC have to explain their reasons for forcing mixed sex arrangements when the majority of the users that want mixed sex are dysphoric or self selecting male.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/03/2020 08:26

Michelle appears to be from the "not even trying" arm of the movement. But is correct that any massive "no, focus on us!" push from TRAs at the moment would most likely backfire massively.

Winesalot · 22/03/2020 21:51

Just saw this tweet. Not sure who Darren is, but interesting to see what ‘piqued’ his turnabout.

twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1241775551515373569?s=21

bettybeans · 23/03/2020 02:25

This is Darren Grimes:

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49048431

Beautifully articulated position but not an individual without baggage. FYI.