Can we ever roll trans ideology back?

[NoToMisogyny]

Apologies for the negativity, especially in these increasingly miserable times! But having been kicked off twitter for the crime of replying ‘ok groomer’ to someone spitting ‘TERF’ at a woman who had crawled before the cult (after giving up her career) - I’m feeling very despondent about it all. I fought this tooth and nail for 2.5yrs, and sometimes it seems it’s all been for nowt.

When I see pronouns in the bios of previously sane people, previously feminist women, previously respected scientists - I can’t help but think this is never going to go into reverse. Who is ever going to remove those pronouns? Is my DH ever going to be told be DOESN’T have to add his pronouns at the bottom of every email?

Are the sixth form colleges my DD is applying to ever going to remove questions about ‘gender identity’ from their application forms?

There are so many horrors in all of this, but for me the numbing ubiquity and normalisation of stating pronouns is almost the most dangerous of all.

Leading on from this is the acceptance even in medicine and law that only is there such a thing as ‘gender identity’ - but that It should trump biological sex in almost every conceivable circumstance.

Obviously we can’t give up. But DAMN!

I do worry about this. It’s in every school and university and consequently there’s a whole generation of young people who’ve been groomed into this ideology.

I think the next gen after that though stand more of a chance. Dissent is finally happening and I don’t think Stonewall can sustain their stranglehold for that much longer because it is such a dreadful organisation and their hubris and failure to adapt will destroy them.

That’s why I don’t understand people on here lamenting the fact that Labour aren’t in power and the Conservatives are. At least they are curtailing this whole thing whereas the Dawn Butlers of the world would shove this whole thing through at the first opportunity they got. And once it’s in, it’s in and there will be no turning it back.

The whole mess has occured on the Tories watch. They must bear responsibility for that and for undoing it.

They seem content to let it happen for an easy life whilst claiming it's not their fault. Something more proactive is called for. Start with defunding the culprits and rolling back the worst nonsense in schools.

The whole mess has occured on the Tories watch. They must bear responsibility for that and for undoing it

To be fair, it's the support of the Lib Dems, Labour, Greens and SNP that have raised the profile and convinced so many people. Do you think the Labour leadership contenders would be so vocal on this if they didn't think it was a vote winner? It's our comrades on the left who are our enemies in this. We expect to argue with the Tories, not our friends with whom we agree on so many other issues.

Yes the left are to blame for gender ideology but the Tories are in power and can stop it.

Yes the left are to blame for gender ideology but the Tories are in power and can stop it.

They are. It hasn’t fully been enshrined into law yet, like it would be according to Labours own words. That’s my point.

I very much hope that the rolling forwards ends up rolling right back round into a circle (aka purity spiral?!) and eating itself.

That day can't come soon enough.

And we need to be pragmatic and work with the conservatives to work to unroll it. It is no good being purist about socialism. I know the trans ideology extremists accusations that feminists that don't go along with
their ideology are all ultra right wing stings but that's why they push that idea to stop us aligning with those of other political beliefs who have commonality on this issue.

I'm a working class socialist but struggle with the knowledge that Labour have never treated women as equals in the UK. And tbh many of them don't listen to working class people either.

We need to keep writing to our MPs about this.
My MP is Conservative, but still a good MP who has been very helpful to me, personally, in the past. I have been writing letters/sending emails about this for the last couple of years and will continue to do so.
I always get a reply and I think the penny is starting to drop.

the Tories are in power and can stop it
Stop what? They aren't going to be passing any new laws about self ID over the next year at least. They'd already kicked it into the long grass, and Boris sure as hell will have a lot more important things to think about for the next few years.
This might actually fade away to some extent , because we're all going to have more serious things to focus on.

Yes, it can and will be rolled back...but it is going to take time, circumstance and negative evidence being presented, for it to happen...As well, of course, as relentless plugging away and not giving up.

@endofthelinefinally
Out of interest, what sort of reply did you get from him? (Or please summarise if not wanting to copy and paste for privacy reasons).

At a legislative level it's been knocked back

However it also needs to be knocked back at the social level or it will reoccur

That's harder

Society works when law and culture are aligned

Labour were in power when the GRA was brought in.

My first letter was forwarded to Penny Mordaunt, who road a rubbish reply, but more recently my MP has acknowledged the issues around hospital wards, prisons.

I had a huge rant about the substitution of gender for sex on NHS paperwork and have noticed a reversal of this locally. (I have loads of hospital appointments and tests, so I get lots of letters and lab forms).
So I am just going to keep writing.

wrote, not road.

Trans-ism is the event horizon of POMO disappearing up its own arsehole.

Truly hope so.

One of my biggest concerns is being forced to teach students this garbage in schools as if it's gospel.

I'm supportive of anyone wanting to express a 'style' but not at the expense of protecting women and women's rights.

Wearing a dress and liking make up isn't the essence of being a woman, we certainly shouldn't be teaching it.

I had a huge rant about the substitution of gender for sex on NHS paperwork and have noticed a reversal of this locally. (I have loads of hospital appointments and tests, so I get lots of letters and lab forms

Interesting. And I have just had this exact same conversation (about gender instead of sex on forms) on another forum.

Stop what? They aren't going to be passing any new laws about self ID over the next year at least. They'd already kicked it into the long grass, and Boris sure as hell will have a lot more important things to think about for the next few years.

There are many policies in public services which fail to protect sex-based Safeguarding & women's rights.
Trans activists are being influential in schools, prisons, police, judiciary & the NHS.
The government has responsibility.

Hopefully more articles such as this one will be released.

uncommongroundmedia.com/as-a-transsexual-i-support-dr-eva-poen/

@R0wantrees

There are many policies in public services which fail to protect sex-based Safeguarding & women's rights.
Trans activists are being influential in schools, prisons, police, judiciary & the NHS.
The government has responsibility.

But the point is the current government is not going along with it (fully - but far too much for my own liking).. Opposition parties have stated (loudly), they will absolutely go along with it and make it a priority.

The policies have been implemented under successive Conservative governments. They are responsible now for the policies which are in operation now.
Children in schools, patients in hospital, female prisoners & prison staff are all being affected.
Safeguarding frameworks have been undermined & need to be re-established.

The trans inquiry led by Maria Miller MP (Conservative) needs scrutinising:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3391330-Prof-Kathleen-Stock-WPUK-speech-at-House-of-Lords-Important-disection-of-the-key-issues-for-MPs-policy-makers-etc-with-ref-to-The-Trans-Equality-Report

Looking forward to the day when schools finally wake up and realise what they are doing to our children but I fear it will be money or legal action that will make them see the light.