BBC World Service: 'Ellie & Nele" - couple who detransitioned

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Article on BBC website (written by BBC World Service) about accompanying radio programme (2 episodes):

Website and Nele: From she to he - and back to she again

Radio programme The Detransitioners She2He2She

I've only scanned the article so far but it's very comprehensive and I'm suprised that it's made it to publication - possibly because it's World Service and wouldn't have made it through mainstream BBC UK channels (and definitely not from the LBTQ correspondent).

It's been taken down from the website! I got a 404 page not found message. Why?

The BBC WS has the best journalists. There is a series on detransitioners you can get on BBC sounds.

Probably me doing the link wrong.

Attempt 2: website article www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51806011

BBC News - Ellie and Nele: From she to he - and back to she again
www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51806011

How bizarre (and slightly sinister).

Here's a review in the Times: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d01c529e-5e05-11ea-a4d8-2cf5855be882?shareToken=b50c090dfb87e6d585b8e3a1007c36d8

Nice article, thank you.

It's still there. This link should work.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51806011

I've just seen a piece on the BBC World travel show about Susan - a "female traveller with a trans background", saying how down they felt when overhearing comments about "a man in a dress" etc.. Susan does not pass. Apparently in India, they were revered as a partial diety. Not much in the video about India as a destination, just how validated Susan felt.

So many of the things those young women felt and feel are what most young women feel as they go through puberty.

They were lied to and damaged forever

Why were they ‘revered as a partial deity’? Presumably not because they identified Susan as a woman?

A double mastectomy at 17?? Poor confused girl. Fucking gender stereotypes, anti-lesbian prejudice just blighted 2 lives. I'm glad they are positive now, but honestly!!

Both of these young people are conscious of how stories of detransition have been used by transphobic organisations and commentators to invalidate the experience of trans and non-binary people, and attack their hard-fought access to health care.

Why no mention of TRAs labelling detransitioners as “truscum”, BBC?

Those poor young women. It's really important that people start judging transgender inspired mutilation as seriously as FGM.

It's outrageous what has been done to these young women.

That was Sue Pascoe, Binky - I saw it too.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163747/Master-Hunt-woman-age-54-marks-day-man-going-bowling-enjoying-burger-sons.html

From the article, successful business man, quite macho job (Master of the Hunt), late transitioner who had been married with children. Ran as the first trans Conservative candidate in the last EU elections.

Now considered a vulnerable person by N Yorks Police- indeed, part of the most vulnerable minority group now, far more vulnerable than anyone else.

Ducking annoying that even after de transitioning they have to be so nice about the people still in it.

I assume many of their friends are. It's extremely cult-like.

No mention in that Daily Mail article of Sue's wife, other than that Sue was divorcing her. Sons were "supportive " though.

Ah, I wondered why the thread I started about this had sunk without trace! We obviously cross-posted and I see at least two other people have started threads on this since.

This is what I said on my thread:
BBC News - Ellie and Nele: From she to he - and back to she again
www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-5180601

BBC reporter trying to sit on the fence but the facts speak for themselves. One young woman developed very early, loathed the sexual harassment that followed, developed an eating disorder. That was untreated but she got testosterone and a mastectomy. Now she accepts that she's a lesbian, which had seemed horrific. Her partner's story is similar. What a shame neither had good lesbian role models growing up. How shameful that men harassing young girls do it with impunity. Why aren't dysphoria teens routinely screened for mental health problems? Belgium and Germany, btw.

It really is time we drew a clear distinction between late transitioning MTF, often married with children, who are often cross-dressers before transitioning - and young FTM who are often suffering severe gender dysphoria, for myriad reasons, such as Ellie & Nele.

Again BBC World Service seems able to produce more robust content.

Ben Hunte....I hope you are noting.

I've just seen a piece on the BBC World travel show about Susan - a "female traveller with a trans background", saying how down they felt when overhearing comments about "a man in a dress" etc.. Susan does not pass. Apparently in India, they were revered as a partial diety. Not much in the video about India as a destination, just how validated Susan felt.

Sue Pascoe went to India to have surgeries as the wait for NHS was unacceptable.
Pascoe has gone on to speak at Women & Equalities Trans Inquiry & holds influential positions with MESMAC, Channel 4 & Conservative Party since 'transitioning'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383926-Sue-Pascoe

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

Sue Pascoe witness
Women and Equalities Committee
Tuesday 13 October 2015
parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4e7f52c6-1357-43f8-98c0-af160b156b40

2018 Sky feature on proposed changes to GRA:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLYjZD9brtg&feature=youtu.be&t=1

It's on BBC main website too. The bit that annoyed me the most is the set of 'definitions' they give in the middle of the article!