Staff guidance into trans patients on women’s wards is under review

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Times Scotland, comments turned off which is fairly rare in the Times:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/20159454-5e6a-11ea-b7c6-f147bdd17b5b?shareToken=c27ace5e4641225d22b59bf12d2a8184

That sounds positive. There seem to be an increasing number of these issues where heavily pro-trans and anti-woman guidance is being questioned. Is anyone pulling it all together?

And the racism comment warrants a sacking. As a white woman, having a black woman in the bed alongside me gives no risk (all else being equal). Having a man beside me does.

Can't believe the Scottish Parliament allowed the use of the word 'cis'. No. No. No.

Cis is fine because only some people find it offensive.

An interesting argument for a gay man to propose.

Now what shall we call him?

Man - no dog in the race so he doesn’t get to say surely?

Patrick Harvie can self-identify as ‘Cis’ but he doesn’t get to label me with that useless prefix. On Women’s Day too

That’s how this thing works right, other people get to decide what women are allowed to be worried about or offended by?

Well we have no brains after all...🤪

And the racism comment warrants a sacking. As a white woman, having a black woman in the bed alongside me gives no risk (all else being equal). Having a man beside me does.

Yep- It’s pure gaslighting- denying a woman’s experience and reality - pretending women are racist as a means to hide their rampant misogyny.

Also highly racist to imply sharing single sex spaces with a woman from a different ethnic background is the same as sharing it with a man. As usual, it’s othering women as part of their campaign.

So if this was true - where are all the campaigns for race segregated maternity wards etc..? Oh that’s right... there are none.

Cisgendering is misgendering and they should be sacked on that basis too.

No one is fucking cis. I am a woman - end of.

Patrick Harvie really dislikes uppity women.

It’s past time that guy gave up on any pretence of doing anything green.

And it’s past time that he gave up on telling women what Patrick Harvie decides what they can be called

It is cheeky fuckiry from Harvie
I don’t need to be defined as not being trans.
It is offensive for some power happy privileged guy to tell women what they are to be called

Someone posted a link to the twitter thread where he boasted of this and he was shredded in the comments for his arrogance and misogyny

The racist thing has the double effect of also implying it's only white women who don't want men in their wards. Yeah bloody right, try that argument at my local hospital which has around 50% South Asian patients and see how it goes down.

The use of cis enables the term ‘women’ to be an umbrella term of all women who identify as women, not just actual women. Therin lies the problem.

A skilled politician would have realized that the "I don't get offended by it and therefore it is not offensive" argument doesn't hold water.

Molten Lasagne very good point. Basically white middle aged men are the default. Oh and some while middle aged women they happen to be related to or linked to in some way. Everyone else is just other.

Imagine the same logic being applied to racial epiphets.

from the article in OP

Ms McAlpine said: “NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde’s gender reassignment policy review says that a female patient who is distressed at the presence of a male-bodied trans-identified person in the next bed should be told that that person is female and that her complaint is similar to a white woman complaining about a black patient being in the next bed.

This is a Safeguarding issue.
Women in hospital are vulnerable.
Safeguarding requires the use of clear unambiguous language.

Imagine the impact on clarity if Ms McAlpine had been able to say,

"NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde’s gender reassignment policy review says that a female patient who is distressed at the presence of a male person in the next bed should be told that that man is a woman and that her complaint is similar to a white woman complaining about a black woman being in the next bed."

obfuscate
/ˈɒbfʌskeɪt/

verb
make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
"the spelling changes will deform some familiar words and obfuscate their etymological origins"

Similar: obscure confuse make obscure/unclear blur muddle jumble
complicate garble muddy cloud befog muddy the waters

Opposite:clarify

It is not surprising that men as a class are fairly happy to “identify with” their allocated gender roll. They are, after all, constructed as awesome.

Women’s allocated gender role is constructed as feeble minded fuck blobbery. And interestingly, cis womanhood additionally means we identify as innately suited to doing the shitty house work chores, the managerial load and 90+ % of parenting and other carework.
Trans womanhood weirdly does not include this.

Male cis and female cis are vastly different things.

Posting this hear because of the NHS angle

"All who come with an open heart and an inquiring mind will be welcomed.
If you are angry, or wish to spread hate or intolerance, then whoever you are, please enjoy an evening at home."

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/an-audience-with-professor-stephen-whittle-and-tara-hewitt-tickets-95421128163

Are there words which are banned in parliament? There are lots of words I can't imagine being used out of respect, and I think the c word should be included in this, but are there actual rules against using them? Just asking out of interest.

I heard the sodding C word in R4 this morning. I didn’t quite catch it (it was a promo of an upcoming items of a trans woman on some team whinging that some C-women could beat them... yeah and I could beat a 6 year old but it didn’t mean I shouldn’t).

I complained to BBC news about the use of this word on their website before Christmas and haven’t heard back yet.

If like saying ‘cunt’ or a racial slur to my ears. It’s being debated in parliament. How can they allow this? People Using it know that it is found deeply offensive by some/many, yet the insist while demanding they are referred to in specific terms.

Really glad to see this! How DARE they say to a woman who doesn't want to sleep next to a random male that she's as bad as a racist?

Women in the South West have forced the NHS to put similar guidance on hold:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3784009-Are-you-in-Devon-Bristol-North-Somerset-or-South-Gloucestershire-Tell-NHS-your-view-on-trans-guidelines-NOW

The Times covered this and I notice a big difference - in Scotland MSPs are publicly criticising this, while down here... nothing. Women have defintely conatcted their MPs about it so what's the difference?

Tara Hewitt, who for some reason gets to tell the NHS what do, says:

'I think we need to be careful in saying this is new thou same with the "new" ward placement guidance which was substantively the same as it has been for a decade or more. Since Equality Act 2010 the training and guidance has been treat transphobic people in same way as racist.'

twitter.com/Tara_Hewitt/status/1235667195885228033

Tara Hewitt made the modifications to the single sex accomodation policies at UHSM (Wythenshawe) whilst working there!

Are there words which are banned in parliament?

There are things you can't call people, but the list dates back a few years and includes the likes of blaggard and cheeky young pup.

MPs tend to be polite in the chamber but in Committee they might read something out verbatim, as Joanna Cherry did when she quoted some of the remarks directed at her to the head of Twitter.