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In court tomorrow

598 replies

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 02/03/2020 17:06

Hayden versus Associated Newspapers.

The Judge? Go on guess. Mr Justice Julian Knowles.

Remember him? I couldn’t be happier.

This is according to contacts at the NZ fruit farm

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DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 03/03/2020 17:06

Did Hayden get to wear robes then?

How about a wig?

Grin
nauticant · 03/03/2020 17:07

Which court was this?

The Queen's Bench Division of the High Court. That's where defamation cases tend to go.

NewNameEveryWeek · 03/03/2020 17:07

They're quite expensive @ItsAllGoingToBeFine. There's a specialist company that does them and IIRC past time I ordered one (a few years ago) it was >£500 for each day of the hearing.

NewNameEveryWeek · 03/03/2020 17:09

This is the form for transcripts and you have to get quotes from the companies listed in A10 and pick one

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/748226/EX107_0618_static.pdf

Lordfrontpaw · 03/03/2020 17:10

Oh. I saw someone suspiciously familiar walking round the back of Marylebone high at this afternoon and I did wonder...

PenguindreamsofDraco · 03/03/2020 17:15

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statsgeek1 · 03/03/2020 17:16

If someone at the Mail believes that SH has made a false declaration to the GRP why do they not just report it to the police who can investigate whether any offences contrary to section 5 and 7 (If they believe SH had help) of the 1911 Perjury act?

I believe the police would have the power to be able to access the evidence under the PACE 1984 as it would be proportionate to investigating an allegation of crime. They could then present it to the CPS who would decide whether to charge or not or close the case as no further action if the allegation wasn't supported by the evidence obtained.

The DM or their reporter could put an end to any speculation by making the allegation that a crime has been committed. The only reason i can see for not doing so is that the speculation holds more value for them at the present time.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 03/03/2020 17:17

The answer to that question has already been posted, Statsgeek, do keep up dear!

R0wantrees · 03/03/2020 17:19

I am a lawyer. As recognised in open court today by Mr Justice Julian Knowles ;)

Roll On Friday
'Exclusive - Transgender lawyer calls police on transexual solicitor for harassment'
By Jamie Hamilton
27 September 2018

(extract)
"Hayden claimed the tweets caused serious harm to her reputation by suggesting that she was holding herself out as a solicitor, as well as by causing distress, anxiety, injured feelings, and attracting ridicule and contempt. Hayden also accused Boudica10 of 'deadnaming' her by referring to her former male identity, which she says was a transphobic act intended to cause her distress.

Hayden and Boudica10 first fell out when they were both members of a pressure group called Transexual Voices Matter (TVM). As part of its mission TVM opposed efforts by transgender activists to amend The Gender Recognition Act 2004 to allow people to self-declare their gender. But when a tweet was posted from TVM's account which referred to transgender people as "delusional men in dresses", Hayden complained to Boudica10 and quit the group because, she said, her concerns were ignored. Before shutting down, TVM warned that transgender activists were hijacking the term 'transexual', which has traditionally been used to describe people with diagnosed gender dysphoria who have medically transitioned and live as women, to promote a wider definition that encompasses anyone who identifies as a woman." (continues)

The Times recently reported that Natacha Kennedy, a transgender Goldsmiths lecturer, "orchestrated a smear campaign" against feminist academics who did not accept that biological males could be women.

Hayden voiced support for Kennedy, tweeting, "It is absolutely right and proper that #transphobic academics are called out!". She has herself called out an academic. In a Twitter thread in September Hayden vowed to sue Dr Deidre O'Neill, an arts lecturer at Brunel University who objects to the transgender line, and report her to her employer for boosting the view that Hayden isn't a lawyer.

Unlike 'solicitor' or 'barrister', 'lawyer' is not a protected term, so claims that Hayden is not a lawyer are perilous. And while Hayden declined to give RollOnFriday details of her degree or other qualifications "due to the harassment I have received", she said that she had considerable practitioner experience in courts, tribunals and as an in-house legal adviser. Hayden said she was also regulated by Cilex for four years, although she relinquished her membership in 2012 for "confidential reasons which did not relate to any disciplinary or other investigation". However, "What I will say is that during a preliminary hearing in the County Court at Leeds on 12 September 2018 HHJ Saffran stated in open court (in relation to myself), 'You clearly are a lawyer'”. (continues)
www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-transgender-lawyer-calls-police-transexual-solicitor-harassment

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 03/03/2020 17:26

For some reason I have Life of Brian stuck in my head...

‘I AM a lawyer and SO IS MY WIFE’

BustedWench · 03/03/2020 17:26

I will tell all one day, I promise.

The police will not pursue anything, seems a deal with the devil may have been struck somewhere along the line

nauticant · 03/03/2020 17:31

Who would you like to play you in the film?

BitOfFun · 03/03/2020 17:33

"...in relation to myself"

Ahem. Sounds more like an estate agent.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 03/03/2020 17:34

If casting were up to me I would want Donita Sparks to play Kate.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/03/2020 17:35

Of all the people you wouldn't want anywhere near your house purchase....

R0wantrees · 03/03/2020 17:44

Wasn't part of Hayden's complaint about being dropped from the BBC's 'Big Questions' program at the weekend based on having/claiming 'expertise' in housing matters? This being the other topic for discussion alongside women's rights.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3835956-Sunday-1st-March-The-Big-Questions-BBC1-Womens-Rights

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 03/03/2020 17:47

‘A specific focus on housing law’ is claimed on the Judicial Cat YouTube channel:

In court tomorrow
PreseaCombatir · 03/03/2020 17:52

Isn’t their criminal record obtaining property by deception or something? So how are they a legal property expert? Confused

Lordfrontpaw · 03/03/2020 17:53

Well there is a link there...

AutumnCrow · 03/03/2020 17:53

I know a transcript for a full three day crown court hearing (plus verdict) cost nearly £2k a few years ago.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/03/2020 18:01

For some reason I thought all court thingies (technical term) were transcribed by a clerk for court records and you could then get a copy for £5 or something Blush

BustedWench · 03/03/2020 18:02

Donita Sparks ❤️ sadly I'm more Divine nowadays Grin

In court tomorrow
accessorizequeen · 03/03/2020 18:03

Does Hayden claim to represent clients in court? As only a barrister or a solicitor with HRA (higher rights of audience) can do that. Solicitor with HRA are known as Solicitor-Advocates and I was under the impression is something only solicitors with 10 years+ experience tend to be. If Hayden has chased up whether Adrian Yelland is a barrister - has anyone done this for Hayden?

R0wantrees · 03/03/2020 18:05

DuLang that youtube channel is specifically linked to the blog which I have referred to upthread and published the essay on 18 August 2018
'Gender Recognition Certificates: Why the Feminists and the Trans Rights Activists Have got it Wrong'

(extract)
"Stephanie R Hayden
Leeds, United Kingdom
18 August 2018
About the Author

Stephanie is a male to female transgender person holding a Gender Recognition Certificate. She is a Bachelor of Laws and has been in legal professional practice since 2008. Stephanie practices in employment law and regularly appears in the Employment Tribunal. In 2012 she was granted a special right of audience in the High Court to represent a defendant in the case of Hardy v Jones & Others. Stephanie has appeared on BBC News in her previous legal gender to discuss the Royal Bank of Scotland computer crash of 2012 and regularly makes contributions on radio. She has written for both the London Evening Standard and the Daily Star."

Youtube about:
(extract)
"the blog compliments the Twitter account @ flyinglawyer73
www.judicialcat.co.uk"

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 03/03/2020 18:19

Legal Blog Roll On Friday has some stuff about the nature of SH’s lawyering qualification:

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-transgender-lawyer-calls-police-transexual-solicitor-harassment

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